Fiscally Conservative, Socially tolerant, Anti-War
Maddow made a complete ass out of herself on Bill Maher's show last night. The panel was discussing Eric Holder and Maddow began one of her fastpassed rants without actual facts to support her point.Unfortunately for Maddow she wes'nt alone on PSMSBC,Mort Zuckerman and Nick Gillespie (two pretty smart guys)were there and proceeded to shut her down...even Maher could'nt come to her defense. When Maddow is either by herself or with a sympathetic guest she can appear intelligent.....but put her up against someone who has their facts and she's shown as just another leftwing screecher.
Actually it's this...Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, and Chris Matthews saying, "Truths, get the truth here".And...Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and "Fox and Friends" saying, "Lies, get your lies here".
Actually... speaking of the facts... both sides lie or tell the truth no more and no less than the others.No way can anyone reading this blog connect "truth" to Maddow after it was proven that she fabricated Wisconsin's budget surplus.
That's exactly right, dmarks. Human traits are essentially distributed normally throughout the population. This whole idiotic notion that one group is purely virtuous and the other one purely venal is 1970s wrestling and little else.
wd perfectly irrational as usual. He has drank too freely of the leftist statist bromide elixirs.
He's been drinkin' somethin'.
Will said: "This whole idiotic notion that one group is purely virtuous and the other one purely venal is 1970s wrestling and little else."It's worse than that. The worst left-wing fascists use such false divisions and poorly thought out generalizations to kill a lot of people. It is these ideas that are at the root of the purges by Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. Or Lenin, with his explicit plan to exterminate the middle-class "kulaks".Of course, any time these left-fascists go after "plutocrats", they kill a lot of plutocrats... and along the way kill off a good chunk of the 99% too.I find the hatred of "plutocrats" to be no less horrific than hatred based on race. At least as many people have been killed over it.
I most certainly don't approve of the extremes you mention, but that's what happens when the plutocrats steal from the workers and force them to live in poverty (watch dmarks say I approve).I support the 99 percent movement, but I do NOT support any of the violent incidents that have occurred. I believe most of those in the 99 percent movement realize violence isn't the way to go.That said, the plutocrats' power MUST be decreased. Our country can't continue down this road without becoming a full-blown plutocracy. Things must change, despite the opposition of duped fools like certain people who comment here.
WD said: "This whole idiotic notion that one group is purely virtuous and the other one purely venal is 1970s wrestling and little else."Those who steal from workers tend to get prosecuted for this."I support the 99 percent movement, but I do NOT support any of the violent incidents that have occurred."Unfortunately, they are an expected outgrowth of the angry message of hate that comes from the Occupy protesters. "That said, the plutocrats' power MUST be decreased."Oh spare us the tiresome obsession with those who are more successful than you. Perfect example of hatred: you want to cut people down."Things must change, despite the opposition of duped fools like certain people who comment here."Things won't change the way you want. Thanks to the citizens being more informed than you would like, the 99% movement is really a 25% movement, and fewer people than you like build their lives around jealousy of others and a desire to cut them down.Jealousy, the green-eyed monster, is one of the most destructive emotions.
Why bother replying, as everything you wrote is a lie (as usual). I'm not jealous.And what you say I said about 1970's wrestling... I didn't say it. That's Will's idiotic remark.
WD, EXACTLY. But it is because you have no rational argument based in reality.
All my arguments are based in reality, so you got that one wrong. But at least you recgonize what a liar dmarks is.
The 1% predominantly aren't plutocrats. Most of them are hard working, well educated individuals such as doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, real estate professionals, etc. and they do not steal anything from anybody.......And most people who start off poor in this country do not stay poor for their entire life. They move up the income ladder and better themselves. This whole construct of these fixed categories of individuals at constant warfare with each other is largely a myth.
Will Hart's Ideology/Belief system is entirely based on myths.
Will said: "The 1% predominantly aren't plutocrats. Most of them are hard working, well educated individuals"Exactly. And those who wine about then are greedy and jealous, and believe that the way to wealth and success is to whine and beg for something (like an infant) instead of work for it."and they do not steal anything from anybody"Exactly. WD uses the word "Steal" for rhetorical effect, without any regard to meaning. Such as when employers decide not to give employees unearned handouts, he calls it "stealing". He gives no regard to the meaning at all, like with the word "Fascism" (another word where he just wings it). He also uses the word "rape" to describe employers paying workers fairly, without regard to its meaning involving sexual assault.I have used "Stealing" to describe taxation (as it is a forcible taking without permission, under threat of violence). But since I know the meaning of the word, I know that it does not exactly fit the situation (since it does not meet the "illegal" part of the definition. Unlike him, I use such terms aptly, and recognize when and where they do not fit.
WD said: "Will Hart's Ideology/Belief system is entirely based on myths."Please be specific, otherwise it comes across as a mindless "neener neener neener" kind of thing.You said this in response to Will's comment. Let's break it down:"[Will]" The 1% predominantly aren't plutocrats."How is this a myth?"[Will] Most of them are hard working, well educated individuals such as doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, real estate professionals, etc."How is this a myth?"[Will] and they do not steal anything from anybody."How is this a myth? If it is, do you have evidence that most doctors, lawyers, architects, etc steal from people?"[Will] And most people who start off poor in this country do not stay poor for their entire life."How is this a myth?"[Will] This whole construct of these fixed categories of individuals at constant warfare with each other is largely a myth."How is what Will is saying a myth?
WD said: "Why bother replying, as everything you wrote is a lie (as usual). I'm not jealous."Name one thing that is a lie. As for the jealousy, the green glow in your eye when you speak of those who are good at what they do and are paid well for it is palpable. You are obsessed over people earning more money than you.
You're completely unable to see my eyes. That's another lie.
Will, Rusty, does WD seem any bit jealous to you?
I'd use the word envious....WD wants what successful people have but he does'nt want to work for it.WD would be quite content to have the government take from successful people and give it to him in some form of hand out....the sad part is...he'd have no compunction holding his hand out...yes sir,may I have another.
"Jealous" is what the wealthy idolizers like dmarks, Will, and Rusty call those who desire fairness and greater equality. They truly believe the rich should be able to take it all... and the rest of us should be content with the table scraps. It's unbridled greed... and quite sickening to behold.
""Jealous" is what the wealthy idolizers like dmarks"No, not me. I don't idolize the wealthy. You have no evidence that I do. Nor do I get bent out of shape because some people are a hell of a lot richer than I am. It's really not my business. Nor do I desire, out of revenge/jealousy and other messed up stuff, for the government to wipe out the Constitution and strip us of our rights in order to "get" a few rich people who have committed no crimes. That's your game.
Rusty said: "I'd use the word envious....WD wants what successful people have but he does'nt want to work for it."That is a better word. He and the 25% movement (Occupy) are like the grasshoppers in the movie "A Bug's Life". The idea that the most powerful should be able to swoop in and just take from those who create and produce... might makes right.This attitude is indeed, to use "W"D's words: "... unbridled greed... and quite sickening to behold.In "W"D's revision of the movie "A Bug's Life", there'd be an election among the ants to choose the raiding grasshoppers. Then the ants (all plutocrats) would be happy to survive on the crumbs left over from the grasshopper raids, because the grasshoppers raiding them would all be "the people (tm)"
I'm in favor of the top tax rates going back to 39.6%. If this in any way constitutes idolizing the wealthy, then I'm sure that the wealthy would prefer that I stop it.............And to answer dmarks's question, I'm not quite sure if it's jealousy, insecurity, or paranoia (his constant referencing of doomsday scenarios) at work. If I had to guess, I would say that wd probably still lives at home with his parents and that he's now very concerned of how they're getting older and will someday not be able to provide for him. Ergo, he wants a humongous social safety net in which to take their place.
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