Saturday, August 21, 2010

Frank Gaffney: Richard Perle on Steroids

Did you happen to catch Frank Gaffney on "Hannity" the other night? This guy seems to think that we shouldn't allow this particular imam to build his frigging mosque ANYWHERE - not just near the "ground zero" site but period. Hm, can you say divided nation, folks?................................................................................................Oh, and in case you're interested, I am not in any way trying to impugn Mr. Gaffney's motivation or integrity. The fellow wants to keep the nation safe and so do I. I just don't happen to think that this type of absolutist approach to foreign/domestic policy is in any way going to help us accomplish that. In fact, it just might end up putting us in a nastier predicament..................................................................................................P.S. It's also been pointed out that there already is a mosque in that particular neighborhood. And, yes, that makes me kind of wonder aloud. What do these neocons (them, and the various other factions of the far-right) suggest that we do about THAT structure - tear the son of a bastard down? Put it under constant surveillance?.........................................................................................................Oh, and, just for the record, it isn't just the right that's talking nonsense here. Yes, Mr. Gingrich flat-out played the Nazi card. But, so, too, we have Senator Reid caving like a rag-doll/President Obama dancing QUITE foolishly. Throw in Nancy Pelosi's saying that we really ought to be investigating the funds of those who currently oppose the mosque (65% of the American people, in other words) and, yeah, you kind of get my point here......Pelosi and Bachman - I say put 'em both on an island. Parachute Palin in, too, while you're at it.


Voltron said...


You had to know we'd be butting heads on this one...LOL

The one thing that pisses me off most about the conservative crowd is their PC narrative about this.

Hannity, Limbaugh, Palin, etc. all make the claim that we're at war with "radical" Islam. Well, from what I've seen and read there is no other kind.

Muhammad was a perverted, lecherous, barbaric, cruel pirate.
His "religion" for centuries has been perpetuated and expanded by the sword. His life was one big orgy of bloodshed, violence, demon possession and rape.

If there are "peaceful" muslims out there, either they are uneducated, lazy or cowardly.

The one thing Allah hates most is a muslim who will not jihad. So their own god hates their guts.

The terrorist leadership are not poor or illiterate. Most came from well to do homes, and are well educated. Most attended college.
They KNOW what the quran says and requires them to do, more so than the layperson does.

If we're not at war with Islam in general, we NEED to be. Islam is a poison that I think many would leave if the penalty weren't death.

Islam has been mostly peaceful where it doesn't currently have the upper hand. When they get enough in positions of power, or when their numbers are high enough, or both then they turn to violence and conquest.

If you think I'm kidding, look at what's going on in Europe. Britain, France and Denmark in particular. Most of the other nordic countries in general as well.

I stand by what I said on the LC board when I quoted Ann Coulter:

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

Note that the first reason the Ground Zero mosque was proposed was because there were no other mosques nearby that they could worship at.

Now that we know there are several in the area, we need to allow it to prove our commitment to religious freedom. And of course now it's going to be a "multi-faith" community center.


They would build ON ground zero in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it.

This mosque can ONLY be a triumph memorial, much like the Al Aqsa in Israel. (and that isn't the only place that's been done.)

We keep being told we need to be tolerant. We need to tolerate this, we need to tolerate that.

ENOUGH! THEY need to tolerate US just frickin ONCE for a change.

There is NO WAY in hell that this mosque will aid in understanding or help build any bridges between us. A vast majority of people don't want it and will resent it.

Their insistence on building the damnned thing will get them back in spades the opposite of the one thing they claim it will do.

Yet still they push.

I wonder why?

Voltron said...


If you've never read anything I've ever linked to before, PLEASE read this:

The Battalions of Islam

And Gates of Vienna is a good read if you want to know what's happening regarding Islam in Europe.

Voltron said...

And before anyone else chimes in, much like everyone else I'm not saying they don't have a right to legally build there.

But if their true intention were to build goodwill and provide outreach, wouldn't they understand our sensitivity to the subject and move it? Especially after all the outrage it's caused so far?

Voltron said...

More good reading if you want to understand Islam:

Prophet of Doom

Voltron said...

And for those who don't want to get dirty, how about this for policy:

For every terrorist attack we launch a few cruise missles and take out a mosque?

We could start with Al Aqsa, the jews have been wanting to rebuild their Temple Mount anyway.

Maybe Medina as a second?

We could reserve Mecca for something special...

Voltron said...

Sorry Will, but for me this Islam crap goes WAYYYYYYY beyond liberal or conservative...

Told ya we'd butt heads.

Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

Volt, a couple of months ago I wrote a piece here that was exceedingly critical of Muslim culture/history. And you know that I'm a strong supporter of Israel. I am in no way under strong illusions here. I just don't think that us declaring war on 1.4 billion human beings is necessarily the way to go. For instance, are we going to declare war on Bosnia (a country that we recently liberated), Iraq (we just got done liberating them - supposedly), Turkey (a long time ally)? I mean, seriously, this could be quite an undertaking......Muhammad, yes, he probably was a tough customer at times. But he had to be. He was getting his butt kicked unmercifully by pagans and it was all about survival. Yes, he started some wars but, yeah, so, too, did the God-fearing Christians of the world. I mean, come on. We decimated one continent and leached off another for cheap slave labor. The "Christians" invaded India (the Brits), the Congo (the Belgian), South Africa (the Dutch), Algiers and Vietnam (the French). To say that only the Muslims have been wreaking havoc is to totally ignore history......Actually, Volt, the Muslims treated their Jewish population best when their empire was strong. It was during its downfall that the pogroms and persecutions started. This, though, yes, I do agree with you, if the Jews of Israel ever came under Muslim control today, the results would probably be different.

Voltron said...


The bit about Christianity is a red herring. Yes, we shed some blood too in the old days but we grew out of the 7th century.

They haven't.

(And Christians have shed no where near the amount of blood Islam has.)

Way back they butted heads with the Rooskies and the Vikings.

In the 1600's they damn near conquered western Europe.

And Muhammad didn't "have to be" brutal. He deliberately chose to be.

Poison. Pure poison. Only way to stop it's infection is to kill it outright.

Voltron said...

Like I said, every act of terrorism we take out a mosque...

That would be president Voltron's policy.

Voltron said...

Of course at their rate they'd be out of places to worship in under a month...

Voltron said...

How about we just ask everyone who wants to be a martyr? Get them to all stand in one spot and give their coordinates to the Air Force.

Problem solved.

Oso said...


There are many sites which show Christianity in an equally bad light as your sites which oppose Islam.

I'm Christian but have done some informal study on Islam and find it an equally valid religion, which can promise hope/salvation same as my religion.

There are some issues I feel so strongly about that I could never consider the other side, yet there IS another side.

Not trying to start an argument here because I don't have a dog in this race. But do you think it's possible that you have allowed anger at this to overcome objectivity? If you'd concede that's possible, maybe study of it might show there is more in common between Christianity and Islam than you might think.

Not saying you don't have a right to your beliefs.

Will, nice post. There was an old movie "Island of Lost Souls" I believe with Bela Lugosi? That would be a good place for Pelosi and Bachman and pretty much all the rest except for my man Ron Paul.

Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

Our violence isn't ancient history, Volt. Wounded Knee was 1890. Slavery and Jim Crow/lynchings also took place in the 19th century. Ditto, Napolean's beheadings in Egypt. And, yes, segregation lasted well into the 20th century. Couple that with the fact that the Pope did literally nothing to help the Jews during the Holocaust and, yeah, you gotta admit, our human rights record isn't all that much to write home about, either......Volt, I took a lot of heat on liberal blogs for saying that we shouldn't stereotype the tea partiers, that the movement isn't composed entirely of bigots, etc.. I'm just trying to be consistent here. Congressman Ellison from Minnesota is a Muslim. So, too, are Muhammad Ali and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. And what about the rest of the peaceful Muslims in this country. Do you want to declare war on them, too? And, what, are you saying that we SHOULDN'T be pulling our troops out of Iraq? That we should stay there and rule indefinitely/try to convert the entire nation to Christianity? I mean, even if all of this was the right thing to do (this, and the war on Islam, in general), where are we going to get the money. We ARE broke, you know that, right (though, yeah, I'm sure that the Chinese would be more than happy to get us all bogged down in Northern Africa - this while they/their GNP continue to grow at 8-10% a year)?

Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

Oso, it looks like you and I are on the same side of this Middle-Eastern debate. I'm telling you, I knew that it would happen eventually. LOL

Oso said...


Scary ain't it :)

Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

My goal, Oso, is to someday be the Henry Clay of the internet. The great compromiser, remember? Well, that and he also lost a bunch of elections. LOL