Thursday, August 21, 2008
Human Bile, Folks, At its Worst
The Bush Presidency has failed. The Republicans have messed up the country. The Democrats deserve their chance to govern. I get it already. And, yes, I also get the fact that the McCain campaign has recently been a horrid one. The increasingly abusive/attack-oriented tone, in particular, has been very troubling. I get all of it!!.......................................What I don't get, however, is the absolute hatred/vile commentary in which the far-left blogosphere has been reveling in of late. I mean, don't get me wrong. Senator McCain has made some bad mistakes in his life, professionally AND personally. But the absolute vitriol that's been directed at this man has been beyond the pale/revolting. He's been called everything from a traitor to a money grubbing/serial opportunist (often on a web-site that claims to "love" its enemies, ironically)........................................And he's been swift-boated, too. One blogger, in particular (yep, you guessed it, Bradley Hadley), has been excessively blatant about it. The bastard consistently cites the fact that McCain, during his NAVAL career, "lost" five planes, not so subtly implying that McCain himself was responsible for every bit of this carnage. He includes the episode in which McCain was shot down over Vietnam (McCain's fault, evidently). He also includes an event, folks, that was truly a human tragedy............................................Yes, I'm referring to the episode in which McCain, while waiting on the tarmac, was accidentally hit by a missile - a missile that nearly killed him. Well, guess what, folks, it appears that McCain's plane wasn't the only one that was hit. Many, many, others were as well. In fact, over 100 sailors were killed during this tragic event. Are we led to believe it was their fault, also? Or, OR, was it John McCain's fault that these people died? One can only wonder in fact....how this is going to be spun..........................................P.S. The bottom-line, McCain has sacrificed enough for this country. He doesn't, in any way, deserve to be belittled by such a cavalcade of Internet bit players/stooges. He certainly doesn't deserve it from Bradley Hadley. THAT is for certain.
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Damn Will, slandering vets now is it?
Being a vet gives you the right to slander anyone else at will, even other vets who served longer or in greater conflicts if they disagree with your opinion. And no one may respond to their accusations or they are slandering a VET!
We have to listen to Cliffy and 1138 as they know more than anyone else in the world including the rest of the military.
Oh and 1138? I saw the movie.
You're not him.
Got ya ass handed to ya eh DipTron?
Strawmen arguments don't seem to be your stock in trade son, let freedum fraud do it he's a little slicker then you will ever be boy.
And slandering veterans does seem to be the right wings stock in trade.
They did it to McCain in 2000
They did it to Max Cleland in 2002
They did it to John Kerry in 2004
Will seem to revel in it also.
Which is why some might think he is really a right winger in drag here.
Looks like its time for a Truthocution Will...........Time to examine your lies, strawmen and hippocritical doubler standards one by one so its easier to decipher your incoherent gibberish.
Will said "What I don't get, however, is the absolute hatred/vile commentary in which the far-left blogosphere has been reveling in of late."
First of all Bill.........please DEFINE "far left blogosphere" for us.........is it people who post things you dont like or agree with, veterans who post things you dont like or agree with, people that post things against McSame the guy you seem to rabidly defend while failing to show the same rabid partisan zeal to defend Obama..
Secondly PLEASE explain to your... ahem "readership" how posting proven facts about Mcsame can remotely be construed as "hatred"..........are YOU advocating NOTHING detrimental or unfavorable to the untouchable and sacrosact annointed one McSame should be discussed or posted even when they are truthful and factually proven.................
Will stated "And he's been swift-boated, too. One blogger, in particular (yep, you guessed it, Bradley Hadley), has been excessively blatant about it. The bastard consistently cites the fact that McCain, during his NAVAL career, "lost" five planes, not so subtly implying that McCain himself was responsible"
First of all Bill............please EXPLAIN how posting FACTUALLY PROVEN TRUTH is SWIFTBOATING.........i'm ALL EARS BILL.................because I was under the impression that swiftboating was posting unsubstantiated smears and lIES about someone to discredit them NOT posting the truth and PROVEN VERIFIABLE FACTS.
The FACTS ARE I Never said ALL the plane incidents were his fault...........but the sheer magnitude of 5 incidents speaks volumes NO ONE with a brain could think that a man that lost 5 planes was a good pilot..........1138 who is actually in the military has stated this man would have been booted out for imcompertence if he were anyone BUT a high ranking admirals son...................instead of RESPECTING 1138's service and opinion like you do the annointed one McSame the untouchable you smear and insult him by calling him disabled JUST LIKE YOU DID CLIF............can the collecting welfare and public dole and get a job smears like you clowns say to Clif be far behind.
Please enlighten me why McSame's military service is so sacred and ................yet 1138's and Clif's are worthy of your derision, contempt and insulting mockerry..............I guess veterans and other bloggers are ONLY to be respected if they agree with your biaed partisan political views and dont diasgree with or challenge your incoherent gibberish like posts.
Just like O'reilly NO ONE can disagree with, criticize or chanenge what you say or else they are the "far left wing"
you are a pathetic joke.
Will said "P.S. The bottom-line, McCain has sacrificed enough for this country. He doesn't, in any way, deserve to be belittled by such a cavalcade of Internet bit players/stooges. He certainly doesn't deserve it from Bradley Hadley. THAT is for certain."
Theres that hippocritical double standard AGAIN BILL..........apparent McSame's service is a sacred cow and we cant post factual evidence to evaluate that service since HE made ghis servive and torture a core campaign issue...........did you see Rick Warren's debate..........the majority of the time McSame talked about his service and his POW experience so I think that gives me the right to examine his service and I think the fact that he was BOTTOM of his class and lost 5 planes is both relevent and extremely disturbing and is neither swiftboating nor a smear or character assassination it is the TRUTH though something YOU seem to loathe.
Since YOU brought up the swiftboating.............I feel compelled to point out you've written a ton of blogs crying and whining about me pointing out proven factual evidence about McSame's military experience and competence that HE MADE a core campaign issue not me............but yet fail , to show any where near the same zeal to shine the light a a slimy liar swiftboating Obama with a book of lies and unsubstantiated smears not proven facts and truth the candidate may find unpleasant.........your response was tepid at best choosing to focus on the fact that he smeared your darling McSame as well rather than attackling him for his swiftboating as you keep claiming that you attack EVERYONE spreading lies, smears and swiftboating.
posting a factually proven truth that a person finds unpleasant or inconvienient is not smearing or swiftboating its being unbiased.
Another thing I find hippocritical and disturbing Bill is the fact that McSame's military service is a sacred cow with you yet you have no problem smearing Clif and 1138 as disabled or along with your far right trolls Rusty and Volt smearing Clif by saying he is disabled, is on welfare, collects public dole, needs to get a job, was drummed out of the service, you pay his salary etc...............how are you guys so comfortable with hippocrissy, smears, double standards and creating dishonest straw men.
Notice how the little lying closet right wing troll uses tactics of the right wing like word association and creating strawmen to try to misrepresent my position.
He uses the word "swiftboating ".............then immediates jumps right in to posting a proven fact i posted that McSame lost 5 planes............using word associuation as if to imply that I swiftboated McSame..............just like Bush and Cheney tried to use word association mentioning Saddam and Iraq constantly with Osama and Al Qaeda as if to imply a link between the two.
Oh and since YOU seem to have NO PROBLEM whatsoever calling veterans disabled...........you should have no problem with me stating that I think McSame is disabled............I think he is senile and is suffering from dementia and Alzxheimers and is unfit to be president.............but since its cool to call veterans disabled you shouldnt have a problem with that right Billy?
MCSame isnt AWARE of the borders of countries that he CLAIMS to be an EXPERT ON, is ignorant of the fact that countries he rambles about have not been in existence for FIFTEEN YEARS.........he cant even remember ghow many houses he has..........and he constantly says "my friend" like he is covering because he cant remember peoples names.........thats not a guy I want or would feel comfortable as a president.
Further, one of McSames military buddies that was around for some of his plane incidents supports the fact that Mcsame admitted himself, namely that he was a poor student that was out partying all the time and didnt study his flight manual or how the plane operates and that he almost died because he wasnt even aware of how to release his harnessso he could get out of the plane in an emergency.................and we all know he's had LOTS OF EMERGENCIES.........in fact 5 that we are aware of at least.
Tell me Will if a guy had 5 car accidents, or a construction company had 5 incidents of a building collapsing, or if a car manufacturer had 5 incidents of structural problems causing crashes or death would YOU trust that person or that manufacturer.
Answer this Question will.............if you were a CEO looking for a pilot to fly your private plane WOULD YOU HIRE A GUY with FIVE incidents of crashing or losing a plane?
If you were a risk analyst with an insurance company would YOU write a policy and assume the risk of insuring a guy with 5 accidents..............if you said yes you wouldnt be a ggod businessman or be in business VERY :LONG!
Answer this Question will.............if you were a CEO looking for a pilot to fly your private plane WOULD YOU HIRE A GUY with FIVE incidents of crashing or losing a plane?
If you were a risk analyst with an insurance company would YOU write a policy and assume the risk of insuring a guy with 5 accidents..............if you said yes you wouldnt be a ggod businessman or be in business VERY :LONG!
BARTLEBEE said...
For those who still doubt that McCain is slipping into Dementia, observe.
I found this on ThinkProgress this morning.
he was asked what kind of car he drove.
As with Politico’s question about home ownership, he didn’t know and had to ask a nearby aide. “A Cadillac CTS,” she told him.
When a man cannot answer how many homes he has, or what kind of car he drives, the doubts about Dementia dissappear.
Anyone doubting McCain is slipping into Dementia, is just kidding themselves.
A scant percentage of Americans know that ten days before President Kennedy was assassinated, he made a speech at Columbia University, during which he made the following statement:
"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
May 29, 1917 - November 22, 1963
I have given a lot of thought to those words, his assassination, and what he was prevented from saying to America.
One of the things most noticeable to me since 1963 is how the Office of the President of the United States has been used to create and push bogus policy on bogus facts. History has shown that the Gulf of Tonkin incident that escalated the Vietnam war was staged by the United States.
I have repeatedly seen this nation invent enemies or even arm enemies to create a war in the future for massive defense spending initiatives. I have also seen them implement policies based on lies just so the wealthy elite can make a lot of money, stained with the blood of dead American soldiers. Yes, they also use policy by gun point to steal what belongs to others. Did you guys ever see this By Karl Schwarz
The les need to end both from the MSM and from you,
As for drilling more I think it is worthless except for oil interests. They would already have an alternative if they wanted it. With oil running the country forget it. With oil running Russia that equals oil wars and soon!
That was supposed to read the lies from both the MSM and from you need to stop.
First of all, I find it hilarious that you call me a troll, when it's you who's doing the carpet-bombing on another person's blog. I haven't even tried to post on LC for weeks. Meanwhile, you and your buddies take a shit here whenever you want. Now THAT is hypocrisy.
Mike, McCain didn't "LOSE" 5 planes. What, are you saying that all the other victims of that tragic event also "lost" their planes/"lost" their lives? You really don't understand how despicable you're being here, do you?
And you're so stupid, Mike. You don't even know how the frigging insurance industry works. Your rates only go up when the accident IS YOUR FAULT!!! DUH!! Not all 5 of those incidents (your vaunted factual evidence) were McCain's fault, you lunatic!
I'm not disrespecting anybody's service, Mike. I'm disrespecting the vile/imbecilic/paranoid rantings of a couple of guys who just happen to be veterans (or so they say). It's like, what, Mike, being a veteran gives you carte blanche to be total ass-hole the rest of your life? You certainly don't seem to be giving McCain that right.
Alzheimer's is a medical diagnosis, Mike. It can only be made by doctors who use a specific criteria. I don't think it's in the job-description of Internet freaks/stooges. I don't know, I could be wrong.
I haven't read Corsi's book, Mike. From what I've been gathering second-hand, he sounds like a marginal lunatic that the far-right has been championing. I personally give him no creedence. Still not strong enough? How 'bout the stuff he says about McCain? You don't seem to be all that pissed about those attacks. This is kind of a quandary for you, isn't it? LOL
I defend McCain as a person, Mike. I don't defend his candidacy OR his policies (foreign-policy, especially). You don't see the distinction, do you? That's kind of sad, actually.
Average Patriot? Interesting fellow. I'll just leave it at that.
Determining Alzheimer's, Mike, let's just say that that's beyond your pay-grade. Get it? LOL
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
First of all, I find it hilarious that you call me a troll, when it's you who's doing the carpet-bombing on another person's blog. I haven't even tried to post on LC for weeks. Meanwhile, you and your buddies take a shit here whenever you want. Now THAT is hypocrisy."
Carpetbombing?????
I posted some very valid points i wasnt Carpetbombing...........if you lack the mental capacity to respond coherently to valid points or when someone challenges your position thats YOUR problem maybe you didnt get your money;s worth for all those alleged degrees you possess........but caling my posts carpetbombing or being a troll is riddiculous even for you.............nicholas and Rusty are trolls..........Voltron when he lies acts like a troll coming somewhere for honest discussion and debate isnt a troll,
What buddies are you refering to...........you lied and claimed people were attacking you and posting here at Lydia's direction are you making that same claim about me now...........because i assure you its not true either!
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
Mike, McCain didn't "LOSE" 5 planes. ............"
I'll quote Reagan here..........."there you go AGAIN" with the lies..............McSame lost 5.........here i'll say it slowly and spell it out for you F I V E P L A N E S...........he was shot down once in Vietnam, he crashed 3 and he had one blown up by a rocket before he could actuaslly take off.........unless you count differently than MOST NORMAL PEOPLE thats 5.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
I'm not disrespecting anybody's service, Mike. I'm disrespecting the vile/imbecilic/paranoid rantings of a couple of guys who just happen to be veterans (or so they say). It's like, what, Mike, being a veteran gives you carte blanche to be total ass-hole the rest of your life? You certainly don't seem to be giving McCain that right."
THERES that hippocritical double standard AGAIN...............McSame cant be criticized but you can smear 2 other veterans and call them disabled, say they are on welfare or the public dole and need to get a job etc..........sounds kinda like personal smears to me...........while my focusing on McSame's military competence is a core issue he has made of his campaign and thus relevant and fair game............insulting a veteran personally and calling them disabled or implying they didnt earn their veterans benefits and are collecting welfare or public dole and should get a job is BEYOND CONTEMPT and is MOST CERTAINLY smearing their service to this country and showing disrespect and if you cant see that then i cant help you and there is NO HOPE FOR YOU
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
And you're so stupid, Mike. You don't even know how the frigging insurance industry works. Your rates only go up when the accident IS YOUR FAULT!!! DUH!! Not all 5 of those incidents (your vaunted factual evidence) were McCain's fault, you lunatic!"
Another ignorant lie, I MOST CERTAINLY KNOW how the insurance industry works.......i have worked in the insurance industy and i have relatives that have worked their entire lives in the insurance industry and many that actually OWN insurance companies.........and i can tell you WITHOUT A DOUBT that anyone have 5 accidents regardless of whether they were that persons fault would be dropped by that company and likely be in the assigned risk pool and be paying a good amount of money to get insurance and most companies would not even touch this person with a 10 foot poll.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
Determining Alzheimer's, Mike, let's just say that that's beyond your pay-grade. Get it? LOL"
My Father has Alzheimers you imbecile..........I KNOW the signs..........McSame is not competent enough to be president.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
I haven't read Corsi's book, Mike. From what I've been gathering second-hand, he sounds like a marginal lunatic that the far-right has been championing. I personally give him no creedence. Still not strong enough? How 'bout the stuff he says about McCain? You don't seem to be all that pissed about those attacks. This is kind of a quandary for you, isn't it? LOL"
Always defending your darling McSame but showing NO WHERE NEAR THE SAME PASSION AND ZEAL to DEFEND OBAMA.
The stuff he said about mcSame is pathetic but guess what THAT WAS 8 years ago...........he;s swiftboating Obama TODAY IN THE HERE AND NOW and you keep going back to 8 years ago and the bulk of your blog articles lately have been defending McSame from proven facts while you sit back and let the other candidate get swiftboated.
You show no interest in learning about this book or posting to counter it with the same rabid zealotry to exhibit to defend McSame not from swiftboating and lies but from unpleasant and inconvienient facts he and you would like to hide and conceal from the public.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
I defend McCain as a person, Mike. I don't defend his candidacy OR his policies (foreign-policy, especially). You don't see the distinction, do you? That's kind of sad, actually."
No maybe you think you do........you have been upfront saying you think he has run a poor campaign and that i agree with.
But the fact is i'm not attacking him personally i'm attacking his comptence based on issues HE made front and center and core issues of his campaign..........if he is running on his military service and he was bottom of his class and almost died because instead of doing his job and learning how to release his harness so he could eject from the cockpit of his crashed plane he was out drinking and partying.
If he cant be depended on to be responsible enough to study and become informed on how his plane works to possibly save his own life and that of his fellow soldiers...........how can we trust him to be informed and responsible for the lives of 300 MILLION people????
ASk yourself this question because the way you have been defending him from proven facts that are EXTREMELY relevant and that HE has made core campaign issues not me............YOU ARE DEFENDING HIS CANDACY realized or not!
1) I didn't have a blog in 04 but I defended Kerry to the hilt when he got swift-boated (ditto, Cleland). 2) I defended Kerry's wife when she was getting dumped on by the media. 3) Yes. It's fair to examine McCain's military service, Mike, but be FAIR about it. Nobody else has said that McCain should be held accountable for the shit that you're holding him accountable for. Nobody. And, Mike, if you can prove that he was kept in the Navy because of his family ties (one of your indisputable facts?), take it to the N.Y. Times. I'm sure that they'd love to sink (no pun intended) his candidacy for you. Of course, if you can't prove, it might be better to stop saying it. 4) Your a troll, Mike. Your tone is miserable, your deusions profound, and your "facts" as stilted as any I've ever seen. Plus, you're not wanted. I got the message over at LC. Why can't you get it here? 5) I'm the dementia coordinator at a convalescent home, Mike. I think I know a little bit about the subject, too. 6) I've been treating Obama with kid-gloves, for Christ! I have refrained from all of the salacious stuff and have criticized him sparringly. Have you ever been to thefuturewasyesterday, Mike? The guy who runs that site was saying some nasty shit about Obama. I defended Obama and was called part of the "Obama police". The guy even took a dump or 2 over here. Any feelings about that, Mike? And I defended John Edwards to the hilt when O'Reilly was hammering him on that homeless vets story. See what happens when you cherry-pick, numbnuts? 7) I'm smearing these vets, Mike, because I find them and their tactics despicable. And they smeared me first. What, these vets (supposed vets) can't take a punch? I never said a thing about their service. I'd love to see their record, though. I mean, can you even begin to imagine the details of that? 8) No, Mike, I don't think you do know how insurance works. If I got into 5 accidents and each one of them was indisputably (to use one of your stock words) NOT my fault, I wouldn't get into trouble. The guys who hit me would be in trouble. Too complicated? 9) Yes, McCain IS touting his military service a little too much lately. Of course, so, too, did John Kerry 4 years ago; "I'm John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty." Remember that convention. It was all about his service. But that didn't justify the swift-boat shit, did it? And neither did the "fact" that Kerry said some bad things about his fellow soldiers when he returned from Vietnam. NONE OF IT DID!! I voted for Kerry, by the way, ass-hole. 10) McCain can't bowl, Mike. He can't throw a baseball, either. And when he had the opportunity to leave early, he didn't. How 'bout giving him some credit for these things, Mike - you know, instead of constantly and imbecillically throwing around the number five? Talk about shameless!
I'm not going to use the word, disabled, anymore. Not because I feel bad about these clowns, mind you. I'm going to refrain because it's just not funny or fair to the people who actually are disabled. I was trying to demean these guys for their paranoia and went down a road that I clearly shouldn't have. I'm an educator/therapist who's worked with special needs populations his whole adult life (I'm a totally different person off this blog, believe me) and I should have known better. Done.
Oh, and, yes, Mike, your friend, Clifffff, is a homophobe. That's another reason why I can't stand that particular vet (supposed vet).
You should never diagnose somebody that you only see on television, Mike. Remember, that's how Bill Frist got into trouble with that lady in the vegetative state? Oh, and, by the way, Joe Biden (who I like a lot and supported for the nomination, by the way), he's 65 and is often gaff-prone (today he called Barack Obama Barack America). I sure hope the right-wing doesn't start to diagnose him. That would be outrageous, wouldn't it?
I don't care WHEN Corsi said those things about McCain. I just recently found out about them and didn't think it was worth my time. So, yes, I am consistent, ass-hole.
Bartlebee, take your frigging blinders off, too, bro. You guys are nothing but cherry-pickers, for Christ!
Mike, you probably don't realize this but you just called Clifffff a troll. He's frigging Nicholas, you dummy. He basically admitted it over at Voltron's. He said that I kept deleting "him". The truth is, I've NEVER deleted him. I've only deleted Nicholas and Moo Moo. So BUSTED!!
YOU shit for brains I will say it ONE MORE time;
I am NOT and have never posted as nicholas.
You don't realize you actually deleted ONE of my posts when you were mass deleting what you couldn't take here, YOU advocated others to do elsewhere.
ONE post genius, so I am going to repeat it for the dumb idiot who writes this waste of bandwidth;
I have never posted as nicholas widdle willy.
And if you claim I do YOUR a GOD Damned LIAR son,
But as a republicans that comes naturally eh boy?
WTF are you saying to me Voltron?
Come right out and say it TO ME.
Make it direct and make it straight.
Voltron
You are quite the coward.
Attack me in a thread that I'm not participating in.
That's kind of like going into a quite corner and whispering threats.
I really don't know what you're on about here.
What you have said about what I've said about what someone else has said.
Yup YOU come off looking like quite the infant.
I do have military service and I do have a bit more qualification to comment about Navy being a different branch of the service than the Air Force since I was Air Force and not Navy.
You can't handle that? Curl back up under your covers and call your Congressman.
I didn't say anyone didn't talk that's your bullshit, not mine you slimy little man.
And Will THAT was what I slammed you for was using the word disabled on ME.
I had made no attacks, no claims no harm - but YOU went off on ME with that word and a man who claims to be a coordinator for the disabled should have known better.
I have yet to see an apology for it.
What the rightwing did to Max Cleland was unforgivable.
The fact that John McCain is now using the same people that distorted his own record, Clelands, Kerrys to attack Obama is shameful.
I don't have sympant for McCain when his answer for EVERYTHING has become "I was a POW".
I had friends who's fathers were POWs, I worked with POWs when I served. Being a POW does not make you a HERO, being a POW does not make you Superman, being a POW does not make you invulnerable or qualified to be anything but honored for having been a POW.
John McCain is abusing his status as a veteran.
The day we start putting one veteran above another (and to a large degree we already have) this nation is in big trouble.
Service to country is it's own reward, not medals, parades, or even being called a "hero".
So FU Voltron
Oh and Voltron, saw the movie - you're not him
but I don't have trouble keeping movies and the real world seperate
You keep right on looking for the real 1138
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