Wednesday, February 15, 2012

They FOOLED Me, Jerry

Here it is, folks, from Wikipedia, the final stages of the legislative process on the Commodities Futures Modernization Act. Nothing WHATSOEVER on the Republicans tricking the poor, unsuspecting Democrats into voting for it. Nada, bubkas, didn't happen, etc.. But, please, feel free to paranoiacally delude yourself into thinking it so. It is, after all, still a free country............. "After Congress returned into session on December 4, 2000, there were reports Senator Gramm and the Treasury Department were exchanging proposed language to deal with the issues raised by Sen. Gramm, followed by a report those negotiations had reached an impasse.[65] On December 14, however, the Treasury Department announced agreement had been reached the night before and urged Congress to enact into law the agreed upon language.[66]

The “compromise language” was introduced in the House on December 14, 2000, as H.R. 5660.[67] The same language was introduced in the Senate on December 15, 2000 as S. 3283.[68] The Senate and House conference that was called to reconcile differences in H.R. 4577 appropriations adopted the “compromise language” by incorporating H.R. 5660 (the “CFMA”) into H.R. 4577, which was titled “Consolidated Appropriations Act for FY 2001”.[69] The House passed the Conference Report and, therefore, H.R. 4577 in a vote of 292-60.[70] Over "objection" by Senators James Inhofe (R-OK) and Paul Wellstone (D-MN), the Senate passed the Conference Report, and therefore H.R. 4577, by “unanimous consent.”[71] The Chairs and Ranking members of each of the five Congressional Committees that considered H.R. 4541 or S. 2697 supported, or entered into the Congressional Record statements in support of, the CFMA. The PWG issued letters expressing the unanimous support of each of its four members for the CFMA.[72] H.R. 4577, including H.R. 5660, was signed into law, as CFMA, on December 21, 2000.[73]"

10 comments:

w-dervish said...

Oh my God! Wikipedia doesn't mention every single detail regarding "the final stages of the legislative process on the Commodities Futures Modernization Act"? Well, I guess what David Corn wrote about the legislation being "slipped in" flat-out didn't happen.

Wikipedia could not POSSIBLY have gotten it wrong/omitted this information. Everyone knows Wikipedia is totally and completely infalliable and never ever gets it wrong. It isn't as if just anyone can edit it.

for the record, what David Corn, writing for Mother Jones (the July/August 2008 issue) said is that, "it was an especially tense time in Washington. Only two days earlier, the Supreme Court had issued its decision on Bush v. Gore. President Bill Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress were locked in a budget showdown. It was the perfect moment for a wily senator to game the system. As Congress and the White House were hurriedly hammering out a $384-billion omnibus spending bill, Gramm slipped in a 262-page measure called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Written with the help of financial industry lobbyists and cosponsored by Senator Richard Lugar, the chairman of the agriculture committee, the measure had been considered dead -- even by Gramm. Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted. 'Nobody in either chamber had any knowledge of what was going on or what was in it', says a congressional aide familiar with the bill's history".

However, everyone knows David Corn is a fucking liar. He lied about Valerie Plame (as Will so astutely pointed out on this blog)... and has probably lied about many other things. Of course everyone knows Mother Jones prints nothing but lies.

Wikipedia says Mother Jones has been nominated for 23 National Magazine Awards and has won six times, including for General Excellence in 2001,[2] 2008,[3] and 2010.[2] In addition, Mother Jones also won the Online News Association Award for Online Topical Reporting in 2010[4] and the Utne Reader Independent Press Award for General Excellence in 2011.[5]

(Left in the footnotes just like Will).

But everyone knows those are awards for liars (given to magazines that best spread Liberal propaganda).

Something else that everyone knows is that I'm a frigging nut (which explains why I give any credence what-so-ever to an article by David Corn). Will proved that by pointing out that my "Liberal buddies" on Facebook told him so. And, as we all know, if Will Hart said it you can most certainly believe it 100 percent without question. Because Will Hart NEVER asserts something that is false. (He's the anti-David Corn in that respect).

btw, what "Jerry" are you referring to? Jerry Critter? He made zero comments in response to your previous post on this topic (the "A Pox Up Both Their Poop-Shoots" post).

Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

The final product was the result of NEGOTIATIONS between Gramm and the Treasury Departmant and between the House and Senate in conference. The fact that it was put in an omnibus bill is immaterial. THE LANGUAGE HAD ALREADY BEEN AGREED UPON. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And, yes, Mr. Corn is full of shit. His implication that the Democrats were tricked is absurd and spinning and after the fact rationalization at its partisan worse. Yeah, right, the Democrats were SO distracted that they didn't notice that a TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO PAGE add-on had been included in a spending bill, the language of which had already been agreed upon in conference and in negotiations with the Clinton treasury department. This is so overwhelmingly pathetic that it sickens me.......And, no, it wasn't Jerry. I'm not Facebook friends with him.

Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

Thankfully the Republicans didn't slip in a bring back slavery provision to the omnibus. That would have been extremely embarrassing.

w-dervish said...

Will: The final product was the result of NEGOTIATIONS between Gramm and the Treasury Department and between the House and Senate in conference.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'm pretty sure only members of the conference committee are party to negotiations. Therefore your own comment/quote proves you wrong, because it specifically points out that most members of Congress were NOT party to the negotiations.

Wikipedia says "A conference committee is a joint committee of a bicameral legislature, which is appointed by, and consists of, members of both chambers to resolve disagreements on a particular bill".

Looks like I was right. Wikipedia says a conference committee consists of members of both chambers... not EVERYONE from both chambers.

Will: The fact that it was put in an omnibus bill is immaterial.

It is not "immaterial". It's very material. Most members of Congress weren't party to those negotiations, and weren't aware that Gramm had slipped the legislation into the Omnibus spending bill (if you believe David Corn isn't a liar, which I do).

Will: Thankfully the Republicans didn't slip in a bring back slavery provision to the omnibus. That would have been extremely embarrassing.

Also unconstitutional.

Will: And, no, it wasn't Jerry. I'm not Facebook friends with him.

I think YOU'RE full of shit Will. Which is why you won't say who called me a "frigging nut" on Facebook.

Rusty Shackelford said...

Hey WD....here's a news flash,everyone here thinks you're a "friggin nut." Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

Yeah, the Committee representatives who were REPRESENTED by Democratic leaders. If they didn't brief their fellow Democrats about what was in the language then they were derelict in their duties. And what kind of an idiot fails to notice a 262!!!!!!!!!! page add-on to a frigging bill.......And the fact that there was NO in-time testimony or statements from ANY Democrats about being "tricked" is prima facia evidence that this is flat-out bullshit.............It was Truth. He was one of them. He's going to disown me for outing him but you just called me a liar, you worthless unemployable piece of horse-shit.............And it wasn't "slipped" into the Omnibus bill. It was PUT into the Omnibus bill and the Democrats were free to object if they wanted to and THEY DIDN'T. They didn't because they saw the 262 page add-on and knew what it was. What a fucking lunatic.......And why do you even come here, man? There are plenty of hard-core far-left paranoiac echo-chambers that you could spew your horse-shit. I used to have a decent blog in which people for the most part had reasoned discussions. Now, it's all a fucking pissing contest.

w-dervish said...

Will: It was PUT into the Omnibus bill and the Democrats... didn't [object] because they saw the 262 page add-on and knew what it was....

BULLSHIT!!

David Corn: "Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted. 'Nobody in either chamber had any knowledge of what was going on or what was in it', says a congressional aide familiar with the bill's history".

Unfortunately I think this happens all to often, what with legislators spending so much of their time raising money for their re-election campaigns and lobbyists writing the bills. But I guess Will doesn't see that as a problem.

Will: why do you even come here... There are plenty of hard-core far-left paranoiac echo chambers that you could spew your horseshit. I used to have a decent blog [blah, blah, blah]

I've got no interest in "paranoiac echo-chambers". Apparently that's what you desire for your blog, huh? That it become a Moderate echo chamber where're you're free to spew YOUR horseshit and nobody challenges you on it?

And Truth said I'm "frigging nuts"? Those were his EXACT words? I doubt it since that sounds like YOU talking. I know Truth and my beliefs don't align perfectly... especially given that post he wrote about you being a "Lefty".

dmarks said...

WD said: "David Corn: "Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted."

He has a point. Democratic legislators consider it to be some sort of faux-pas to actually read the legislation they sign.

Remember Nancy Pelosi expounding on her idea that the legislative process consists of Congress passing legislation before (if ever) considering what is in it, and John Conyers, who says he is typically too lazy to read what he votes on.

So yes, Will. In this era of lowered standards, you can't expect Democratic representatives to actually do their job. I guess it's below their pay scale or something.

w-dervish said...

dmarks, did you actually watch that YouTube video you linked to? Did you even read the title? The title is "we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it".

The "You" she's talking about is the public, not lawmakers. Perhaps you think (or have other evidence) that she didn't read it, but the video you linked to isn't it.

Regarding the legislation in question... they didn't have the OPPORTUNITY to read it (I guess you missed/ignored that word). The Democratic whip probably pressured Democrats into voting for it. That person probably told them they HAD to vote for Bill Clinton's budget.

Will must think lawmakers take principled stands every day, and if they don't... those individuals have serious character flaws. My guess would be that lawmakers taking principled stands is the exception and not the rule.

Will is quick to discard nuance when it messes up his narrative.

Also, clearly Will isn't going to answer my question about the exact words Truth used. Will SAYS Truth described me as a "Frigging Nut" to him on Facebook, but I think it's a dubious claim.

IMO Will is putting words in Truth's mouth. Which is why Will said, "He's going to disown me for outing him". Perhaps because Truth didn't say that. At least not those exact words. Those are Will's words.

Jerry Critter said...

Rusty,
Just for the record, not everyone considers w-d a friggin' nut.