Saturday, August 9, 2014

On the Assertion by Some that the Jews Pilfered Western Palestine From a Long-Standing and Ancient Palestinian Population

Yeah, this one is completely wrong. The harsh reality is that Western Palestine at the beginning of the 19th Century was practically a wasteland and even as late as 1857 the British Consulate there stated that it was "empty of inhabitants" (Mark Twain also chimed in and wrote that he never witnessed a single village within a 35 mile radius of the Jezreel Valley). Couple this with the fact that the then Turkish rulers of Palestine ultimately launched a resettlement policy (in 1878) to bring in additional foreign Muslims and you kinda do get the drift here that this whole time immemorial concept of theirs is at the very minimum a stretch (that, and the fact that the term, 'Palestinians', was rarely if ever used prior to the end of the '67 war).....................................................................................Of course, the most convincing evidence of all is the fact that a) Fathi Hammad (in a speech directed at Egypt), political leader of Hamas, confessed that "half the Palestinians are Egyptian and the other half are Saudis (actually, birth records from as late as the '40s have consistently shown that these 'Palestinians' didn't just come from Egypt and Arabia and that they also came from Syria, Transjordan, Iraq, Iran/Persia, Turkey, Algeria, Tripoli/Libya, Morocco, Tunisia, Albania, Greece, Cyprus, The Soviet Union/Russia/Ukraine, and even from Central Asia)", b) Hajj Amin al Husseini (AKA, the Grand Mufti) admitted that the lands of Palestine had actually been purchased by the Jews, mostly from Arabs and mostly for a price that was well in excess of the then market value and and c) Zahir Muhsein, Chief of Military Operations of the PLO, admitted that, "yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian entity exists ONLY FOR TACTICAL REASONS (my emphasis). The establishment of a Palestinian state is a tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity."......Out of the mouths of the terrorist slugs themselves, in other words.

8 comments:

BB-Idaho said...

A wasteland?
"In 1852 the American writer Bayard Taylor traveled across the Jezreel Valley, which he described in his 1854 book 'The Lands of the Saracen; or, Pictures of Palestine, Asia Minor, Sicily and Spain' as: "one of the richest districts in the world."[10] Laurence Oliphant, who visited the 'Akko Sanjak' valley area in 1887, then a subprovince of the 'Beirut Wilayah',[11] wrote that the Valley of Esdraelon (Jezreel) was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive." The Jezreel Valley was owned by wealthy Lebanese until 1925, when
it was sold to the American Zion
Commonwealth, who planned to resettle international Jews there.
The autochthonous residents were
removed to make way for the new owners:
"however the new owners decided that it would be inappropriate for these farmers to remain as tenants on land intended for Jewish labor. This was a commonplace feeling among the Jewish residents, part of a socialist ideology of the Yishuv, which included their working the land rather than being absentee landowners. British police had to be used to expel some and the dispossessed made their way to the coast to search for new work with most ending up in shanty towns on the edges of Jaffa and Haifa".

Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

Mark Twain on Palestine in 1867 - "a desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds, a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."............And the Peel Commission's 1937 report determined that the Arab claims of displacement were totally baseless. It pointed out that "much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it was purchased....there was at the time of the earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or the training needed to develop the land." It further concluded that the land shortage was "due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population (an increase ironically that was brought about by the higher wages and ample employment opportunities resulting from Jewish development)."............And the Jews paid through the nose for this land. According to Moshe Aumann's book, "Land Ownership in Palestine 1880-1948", the Jews in 1944 were paying over $1,000 per acre for arid to semiarid land while folks in America were paying $110 an acre for much more choice farmland in Iowa. Yeah, those rich, mean Jews were really sticking it to the Arabs.

Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

The thing is, Les, there is probably a small segment of them whose heritage goes back 1,000 years or so (certainly no longer than that in that there have been massive invasions, migrations, the plague, and many other factors that have certainly changed the population of the region many times over) but, yeah, overall, they're just as new to the area as the Jews.

dmarks said...

RN said: "What is Hamas, aside from from being barbaric terrorists? A shit bowel of lice ridden scum."

This is one reason I sent money to Israel during this last conflict, to help stop Hamas from committing their stated and planned new Holocaust.

Les Carpenter said...

Yeah, and the Palestinians are as infested with camel fleas and lice as they were a thousand years ago.

dmarks said...

The bellowing of Hamas leaders are hardly the utterings of rational human beings, RN. More like the grunting of boars.

Still more human, though, than the time Howard Dean shed millions of years of evolution and bellowed like a pterodactyl: an embarassing breakdown which was accurately caught on film, and thankfully cost this unstable man his campaign.

dmarks said...

Will: I take a different approach on the legitimacy of Palestinian nationhood.

Consider that the US is a relatively new nation. Criticism of our newness abounded in the late 1700s.

Supposing Palestine is a legitimate nation, what then? Let it have its own territory, of course. But at this time the Number 1 goal of this new nation is killing all Jews. Millions of them. Considering this fact, it is irresponsible to let such a nation be completely independent. It has to act responsibly in order for occupation to end.

Consider the end of WW2 where the US was forced to occupy Japan. The occupation was at times oppressive, and brutal. But it was temporary, short term, and DID end.

Do you have any doubt that the US would still be brutally occupying Japan if Japan hadn't the decency to surrender, and stop its ridiculous war?

If the PLO, Hamas, etc had called off their new Holocaust years ago, the Israeli occupation would have ended decades ago. It is only the outrageous and unending aggression from the Palestinian government that makes a strong occupation necessary.

Les Carpenter said...

The Japanese are (were) basically intelligent rational beings, their former imperialist pursuits aside.

Hamas and the Palestinians are decidedly not.