Tuesday, April 27, 2010
Uncivil Liberties
I agree with Mr. Olbermann that the recently passed Arizona law involving immigration no doubt DOES go to extremes, that it probably will in fact end up impinging on civil liberties, etc.. I just wish that this same Mr. Olbermann would occasionally show this same level of concern for those ranchers/farmers on the border who are terrorized LITERALLY DAILY, the bulk of those hard working health-care workers who end up losing their jobs whenever an overburdened hospital goes belly-up down there (never mind the lack of care that such a situation produces), etc.. It's like, please, help me out here? Does Mr. Olbermann just not understand that this is a complicated issue, an issue that doesn't necessarily lend itself to such a hackneyed political viewpoint? Hm. So much for that vaunted Cornell education of his, huh?
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Constitutional issues trump- economic issues,
always have always will.
As I stated, I disagree with the Arizona law. My only wish is that partisans like Olbermann (on the left) and Limbaugh (on the right) would start to address this issue more maturely. The President (ditto the previous President) seems to want to put forth a comprehensive approach to the problem. If in fact he does this, I will support him. If, however, he doesn't.....
Was'nt the constition written solely for the protection of american citizen's?
I dont think illegal alien's apply.
Sorry crusty but the people who had just won the Civil War against the traitors to the US Constitution in 1865 would beg to differ with your stupidity;
.... they wrote this amendment.
AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive **ANY PERSON** of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to **ANY PERSON** within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
If they had wanted to say citizen or legal resident, they could have but didn't,
... they said ...
ANY PERSON,
you know crusty all of god's children,
not just the lily white ones you approve of.
The rights contained in the Constitution apply to anyone under the jurisdiction of the American government
... (thanks to the 14th amendment) ...
unless the Constitution specifies otherwise.
If you think that being in the country illegal means you have no rights,
then you are too stupid to have this conversation.
About sums up your stupidity doesn't it crusty?
You friggin dope it refers to citizens....yes,numbnuts citizens.
Notice you did'nt include definition of "citizen."
Illegal is illegal....see my thumb....boy you're dumb.
Again dipshit....citizens.
You code pink girls are so damn obvious....same talking points on every lib blog....almost word for word.
71% of AZ "citizens" approve of this law.I guess they are tiring of escalating crime rates.
If you're that concerned about illegal aliens how many are you ging to move into your basement?
Just a wild guess,but I think
ANY PERSON refers to american citizens.
Another wild guess....you're an open borders advocate...right.
Just a wild guess,but I think
ANY PERSON refers to american citizens.
There ya go again, thinking with out the proper equipment crusty.
PS crusty any person means just that any person.
Funny part, the congress was majority republicans back then.
136 seats out of 193
and
39 seats out of 54 seats in the senate.
So the republicans (back when they actually cared about civil rights) said any person crusty, too bad they abandoned that principle from the 1968 southern strategy forward ....
Another wild guess....you're an open borders advocate...right.
Wrong, as usual crusty ....
I would prefer that career politicians like the republican crowd stop pretending to defend the US Constitution while actually crapping all over it.
Stop claiming we need to actually reform something while at the very same time filibustering and blocking any and all attempts at such reform.
Since they have 14 years of control in the house and eight year of control in the white house and did absolutely NOTHING, they should STFU and let people who are willing to actually do something to proceed.
Oh wait then they like you couldn't be such shallow hypocrites could they?
....almost word for word.
Well crusty the WORDS of the 14th Amendment, or any other part of the US constitution, shouldn't be changed to fit your political position, even if you right wingers seem to try to do that a lot.
But then the screech and deceive ops the RNC, Rove, the astro-turf tea bagger movement and you right wing clowns push every day wouldn't work would it slappy?
Notice you did'nt include definition of "citizen."
US citizen
1. Born in the US citizenship is automatic.
2. Birth from 2 US citizens abroad is automatic.
3. Birth from 1 US citizens if;
A. The citizen parent lived at least five years in the United States before the child's birth
B. A minimum of two of these five years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
citizenship is automatic.
4. Naturalization
A person who was not born a U.S. citizen may acquire U.S. citizenship through a process known as naturalization.
None of these definitions claim any person like the US constitution grants with the republican approved 14th Amendment.
Nice try slappy but,
EPIC FAIL
Hey Nancy....the dems controled congress for 40 years...what magic did they perform.
Are you really trying to say there are millions of illegal aliens here because of the Republicans?
As a constitutional lawyer I'm sure you'll be successful arguing the point "anyperson" actually means "citizen," yep that should work.
Sorry crusty names not nancy,
I am not a constitutional lawyer either.
As a constitutional lawyer I'm sure you'll be successful arguing the point "anyperson" actually means "citizen," yep that should work.
Nope Slappy, that is what you FAILED to do when you tried to.
I ain't even gonna try twisting logic or history into that mental pretzel.
PS: Nor did I say the illegals were here because of what the republican controlled congress did in the 1860's
I guess your reading comprehension is no better then your thinking. abilities
As for the 40 years of democratic control, nice try at ignoring the FACTS that bush and the republicans in congress didn't do squat and now the republicans in congress are the ones actively blocking any and all attempts at reform,
nice try but as usual
EPIC FAIL crusty,
because right here right now the republicans are still the do nothings,
do nothing when in power,
do nothing when removed from power because of how badly they bungled everything because they did nothing.
Heck of a party you got there crusty.
BTW crusty;
Now You’re Mad?!
After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get Mad?
You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
You didn’t get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
Energy policy and push us to invade Iraq.
You didn’t get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
You didn’t get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
You didn’t get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn’t get mad when we spent over 800 billion (and counting) on said illegal war.
You didn’t get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined.
You didn’t get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared in Iraq.
You didn’t get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
You didn’t get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country.
You didn’t get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn’t get mad when Bush said he wasn’t concerned about Bin Laden, just a few months after 911.
You didn’t get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget and current account deficits.
You didn’t get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
You didn’t get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.
You didn’t get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks.
You didn’t get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades.
You didn’t get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens died over an 8-year period because they had no health insurance.
You didn’t get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values.
You finally got mad when a black man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick…oh hell no.
Got that one in an email, immediately thought of you right wing tea bagger clowns,
fits you to a tee crusty .....
My fear is that the law could eventually lead to racial profiling. And I really don't think that it's a partisan issue. Jeb Bush, Linda Chavez, Marco Rubio, and Lindsey Graham (the guy who everybody but me and Chris Matthews seems to hate) have also voiced various degrees of opposition to it. I usually hate agreeing with the smug Mr. Olbermann. But, yeah, on this one, I really kind of have to.
I think that the Patriot Act passed something like 99-1 (only Russ Feingold having the stones to stand up to the prevailing winds back then).
Did I get mad? Nope,and I'm not mad now...in fact I'm pretty damn content,kind of happy livin in the USA.I've got freedom,have made a couple bucks,have decent healthcare,have a wide circle of friends,knocked two strokes off my handicap the past year,I'm about to light the grill and throw a ribeye on,got a nice red zin to go with it and to top it off this Sat. is the first Sat. in May,you what that means.....Kentucky Derby day.
So am I mad? Hell no.You do seem to have a bit of pent up anger though.Must be tough carrying the weight of all humanity on your shoulders.
Must be tough carrying the weight of all humanity on your shoulders.
Don't crusty, but then again you never make claims based on reality,
Your track record of claims about others shows you fail as badly there as you do in reading comprehension or thinking.
And BTW you posts shows you are less then pleased with the reality based view of the planet.
I was gonna get my teeth whitened,but then I said fuck that,I'll just get a tan.
PS even Karl Rove is against the law crusty;
Karl Rove questions Arizona immigration law during visit to The Villages as part of book tour
Karl Rove, chief political strategist for former President George W. Bush, today questioned a controversial new Arizona law designed to cut down on illegal immigration before a crowd of about 500 at the mammoth senior community.
"I think there is going to be some constitutional problems with the bill," he said to the standing-room-only crowd at the Colony Cottage Recreation Center. "I wished they hadn't passed it, in a way."
Sucks when even Karl thinks you right wingers have gone too far ...
I bought a map on the world I want to hang on a wall in my house.Then I'm gonna put pins into all the locations I've traveled to.But first,I'm gonna have to travel to the top two corners of the map,so it wont fall down.
I would imagine if you understood Morse code,a tap dancer would drive you crazy.
The thing thats depressing about tennis is,no matter how good I get,I'll never be as good as a wall.I played a wall once....they're fucking relentless.
I guess the truth got to be too much for the poor boy,
He is now babbling nonsense.
When Karl abandoned him, his little mind must have slipped.
I've tired of you anony...I'm gonna go to PokerStars and play some cards...tata.
Up the meds while your at it crusty,
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