On the Fact that German Soldiers Were Made to Sleep for Months in a Toxic Mixture of Mud, Fecal Matter, Blood, and Urine While at the Same Time Being Purposefully Starved
These were just regular soldiers, Les, not SS. And I think that if you dig a little on this you'll discover that this was an unnecessary war. I mean, it was one thing when Pat Buchanan said it but when you have saner guys like Ralph Raico and Robert Higgs and even A.J.P. Taylor saying it, you gotta at least consider it.
All war is unnecessary really. War is caused by someone or group desirous of increasing their power by conquest and then consolidating their power.
Hitler was one of those individuals. A failed artist with a chip on his shoulder who was obsessed with creating a 1,000 year Reich.
The dude forewarned of his coming madness. The world and humanity paid a terrible price for not listening.
Of course had it not been for the insanity shown by allies following WW I with their draconian war reparations and need to humiliate Germany Hitler might have remained just a failed artist.
One thing is clear... War is inevitable because humans really do lack the ability to learn from history. And, there will always be evil that will certainly take advantage of our human shortcomings.
The sane and humane treatment of prisoners of wars isn't a cornerstone of civilization, but it is indeed one of the bricks in the wall separating us from savagery.
I didn't see anything where Will said they were "saints", Les.
Hitler didn't want a war with England, France, or the United States and if you can find me one piece of evidence to the contrary, I would like to see it (he actually wanted an alliance with England). And while the man certainly isn't my cup of tea, if you really want to cast the blame here you have to go back to the Treaty of Versailles and blame the likes of Wilson, Clemenceau, and George who created the environment (through the confiscation of German land, draconian reparations, etc.) for a guy like Hitler to flourish.
No, Wilson did NOT want to humiliate and punish the Germans unmercifully. He was against what the European nations wanted and succeeded in getting done.
I would also point out that as early as 1933, Hitler was calling for a total disarmament of the European mainland and as early as 1936, Churchill was calling for the total destruction of Germany. That, and the fact that it was England and France who had been subjugating people throughout the world and for numerous centuries and not Germany.
Wilson got rolled and if it wasn't for him shamelessly and moronically inserting himself into the middle of that grinder there would probably have been a stalemate, a nonpunitive peace treaty, and no Adolph Hitler.......And until the late 1920s, Germany was fully abiding by the Treaty of Versailles. It was only after England and France, the 2 most virulent imperial powers of the 19th and 20th centuries, started arming to the teeth that the Germans started their rearming.
The British were responsible for millions of deaths in India during their despicable reign of terror there. And we frigging stole half of Mexico. But Hitler reclaiming land that was stolen from Germany and on which atrocities were being perpetrated against ethnic Germans - THAT'S the great evil deed of mankind?
The Germans were saints?
ReplyDeleteThese were just regular soldiers, Les, not SS. And I think that if you dig a little on this you'll discover that this was an unnecessary war. I mean, it was one thing when Pat Buchanan said it but when you have saner guys like Ralph Raico and Robert Higgs and even A.J.P. Taylor saying it, you gotta at least consider it.
ReplyDeleteAll war is unnecessary really. War is caused by someone or group desirous of increasing their power by conquest and then consolidating their power.
ReplyDeleteHitler was one of those individuals. A failed artist with a chip on his shoulder who was obsessed with creating a 1,000 year Reich.
The dude forewarned of his coming madness. The world and humanity paid a terrible price for not listening.
Of course had it not been for the insanity shown by allies following WW I with their draconian war reparations and need to humiliate Germany Hitler might have remained just a failed artist.
One thing is clear... War is inevitable because humans really do lack the ability to learn from history. And, there will always be evil that will certainly take advantage of our human shortcomings.
Hitler was one of those kind.
The sane and humane treatment of prisoners of wars isn't a cornerstone of civilization, but it is indeed one of the bricks in the wall separating us from savagery.
ReplyDeleteI didn't see anything where Will said they were "saints", Les.
Hitler didn't want a war with England, France, or the United States and if you can find me one piece of evidence to the contrary, I would like to see it (he actually wanted an alliance with England). And while the man certainly isn't my cup of tea, if you really want to cast the blame here you have to go back to the Treaty of Versailles and blame the likes of Wilson, Clemenceau, and George who created the environment (through the confiscation of German land, draconian reparations, etc.) for a guy like Hitler to flourish.
ReplyDeleteNo, Wilson did NOT want to humiliate and punish the Germans unmercifully. He was against what the European nations wanted and succeeded in getting done.
DeleteI would also point out that as early as 1933, Hitler was calling for a total disarmament of the European mainland and as early as 1936, Churchill was calling for the total destruction of Germany. That, and the fact that it was England and France who had been subjugating people throughout the world and for numerous centuries and not Germany.
ReplyDeleteHm, wonder why Hitler wanted disarmament. Oh, that's right, he was a good guy and all.
ReplyDeleteWilson got rolled and if it wasn't for him shamelessly and moronically inserting himself into the middle of that grinder there would probably have been a stalemate, a nonpunitive peace treaty, and no Adolph Hitler.......And until the late 1920s, Germany was fully abiding by the Treaty of Versailles. It was only after England and France, the 2 most virulent imperial powers of the 19th and 20th centuries, started arming to the teeth that the Germans started their rearming.
ReplyDeleteThe British were responsible for millions of deaths in India during their despicable reign of terror there. And we frigging stole half of Mexico. But Hitler reclaiming land that was stolen from Germany and on which atrocities were being perpetrated against ethnic Germans - THAT'S the great evil deed of mankind?
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