Sunday, July 28, 2013
More Media Bias in the Zimmerman Affair
According to multiple sources (the story first broke in the Miami Herald), back when Trayvon Martin was first suspended in 2011 (ostensibly for vandalism), school authorities went through his back-pack and found 12 pieces of women's jewelry, a man's watch, and a screwdriver that they had delineated as a "burglary tool". Mr. Martin claimed that a friend (who he refused to name) had given these items to him and, while, no, there isn't any direct evidence that Mr. Martin was involved in any breaking and entering, these items do in fact fit a description of stolen items from a dwelling that was located not very far from the school................................................................................So, why was Mr. Martin never arrested for this? In a word, politics. The Samford police, in an obvious effort to keep the teenage African-American crime rate low, apparently decided that this case should instead be handled by the school system and, hence, the suspension (the first of several for Mr. Martin). As for the stolen jewelry, the stuff was simply categorized as "found items" and it continues to just sit on a shelf somewhere................................................................................Now, this of course doesn't mean that Trayvon was necessarily up to no good on that particular evening. The dude absolutely could have been just out for a walk. But to try and say here that Zimmerman was totally off is bull........................................................................................P.S. And can we also just knock it off with this whole Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon crap? If Trayvon had been a young black businessman holding a laptop and walking on the sidewalk, or an elderly black woman, Zimmerman wouldn't have given him the time of day. But because he was dressing like a gang-banger and walking in between houses, he did, and he should have.
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So, you think Zimmerman would have done exactly the same thing if Trayvon have been a white teenager?
"So, why was Mr. Martin never arrested for this? In a word, politics"
Martin had a significant crime problem. If law enforcement had been doing its job, he would have been safely off the streets: no longer a danger to others or himself.
As Martin was a minor at the time of incident, his parents were responsible too, and they deserve a lot of the blame for this.
Will,please stop quoting actual facts about this case.Now you'll stir the fool on the hill to write a ten page fictional accout how George Zimmer hid behind a tree waiting to kill the valdictorian Trayvon Martin while hitting him self on the nose with a large rock and banging his own head against a brick wall.
So...please stop making sense.
Jerry, Greta Van Susteren did a walk-through (with cameras) of the entire incident. It was so dark that you couldn't see 5 feet in front of you. It is highly probable that Zimmerman didn't even knew the race of Trayvon initially. And of the 50 plus calls that he made over that 3 year period, some of them DID involve white kids.......And, guys, the fact that Trayvon not only had stolen items in that back-pack but a flat-headed screwdriver leads me to believe that Zimmerman made a pretty good assessment.
Jerry: Why ask that question unless you yourself are prejudiced somehow?
Martin did not even have a backpack with him.
jerry, reread the first sentence. Back when he was suspended in 2011....
That has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case.
It certainly lends credibility to Zimmerman's account of Trayvon's actions that evening; the observations that Trayvon was walking slowly and looking into windows.
The verdict is in. The system worked. Can we now give it a rest?
If only...
The thing is, I'm just so teed off at the media/leftists for the way that they've covered this sucker; this whole narrative that a racist white man (who isn't even white) gunning down an innocent black "child" simply 'cause he wanted to, that I've totally had to vent on it. Hopefully, I'm winding down.
You are implying that Zimmerman knew about Martin's history. Which is he? Clairvoyant or a stalker.
He is neither (stalking is a legal term that is defined by repetitive actions and not by simply keeping an eye on somebody for several minutes). He just saw somebody who was acting suspiciously and in a area of the complex that had already been broken into repeatedly.
He killed in self defense (and clearly this was textbook self defense), Jerry. Trayvon could have easily gotten away but he decided instead to attack this man (who had just as much right to be in that area as Trayvon) and attack him viciously. I guess that you think that George Zimmerman should have done nothing and either be killed or spend the rest of his life with a nasty TBI.
Zimmerman should not have been following him in the first place. Obviously, you believe it is OK to provoke someone to take the first swing at you, and then when you are losing the fight, it's OK to pull your gun and kill him.
Sorry, but I think that is wrong.
Will: the racism, hypocrisiy, and prejudices of the Left are contantly coming out in this. And it results in such odd knee-jerk defenses.
The blogger who is a major advocate of Native American rights is a perfect example of this. He is also a very partisan individual, willing to carry water for his favored party no matter what the cost.
He keeps insisting that Zimmerman is pure white, and not Native at all. That is his way of reconciling his concerns on Natives with party loyalty: to throw out principle in favor of party.
Jerry, following somebody for several minutes isn't a sufficient enough reason (from a legal standpoint) to ambush somebody (4 minutes subsequent) and attempt to beat them into a coma.......That blogger must be a real idiot, dmarks. He's obviously never once seen Mr. Zimmerman's mother or uncle.
And as the neighborhood watch, he absolutely should have kept an eye on Trayvon (walking slowly in the rain and next to houses). That was his job!
He completed his job when he reported to the police. How long does someone have to follow you at night in the dark before you fear for your life?
In a free country a person can get out of his car and not have to be beaten to hell. And he got out of the car because he lost track of Trayvon and wanted to be able to answer the question, "So, where is he now?" And if Trayvon was so damn scared then why didn't he just go to his destination (he was practically there already according to the phone conversation with Jeantel) and call the police? He was about as scared of Zimmerman as Muhammad Ali was of Richard Dunn.
Zimmerman did NOTHING illegal prior to being battered.
"And if Trayvon was so damn scared then why didn't he just go to his destination"
Maybe we could ask him. Oh wait. He is dead! Maybe he thought "stand your ground" was the way to go. He did not have to run. He had the law on his side if he felt in danger of his life.
It saved Zimmerman from jail.
Good, we agree that he wasn't scared.......And what do you think that Trayvon, this wannabe gansta' and apparent lover of violence/mayhem, would have done with that gun had he gotten HIS hands on it?......And I'm still not entirely certain what you think that Mr. Zimmerman should have done; allow himself to beaten into a coma? Trayvon started the fight and Zimmerman defended himself - an open and shut case of self defense.
Zimmerman should have gone home after reporting Martin to the police. By continuing to follow Martin, Zimmerman provoked Martin into defending himself, as he had a right to do under the stand your ground law. Zimmerman provoked the fight. Martin just threw the first punch.
You're wrong on the facts and the law, Jerry. a) He didn't follow him because he didn't know where he was (he got out of the car to simply see where he was and to provide that information to the police). b) Following somebody isn't illegal and it certainly isn't a legal justification for violence. Martin should have simply went to his father's girlfriend's house and that would have been that (instead of backtracking 100 yards to beat on a chubby Hispanic guy in the dark).
Oh, and the Skittles and Watermelon Fruit Punch, those are 2 of the 3 ingredients that go into the making of lean, a drug mixture (which makes people paranoid and violent) that Trayvon not only texted about but whose liver showed the damage from.
Skittles and watermelon fruit punch. Well that sure settles it. Definitely worth a death sentence. You've got this one nailed. I hope you feel good.
There was already proof of his illegal abuse of intoxicants...and the ingredients situation is evidence of even more of this.
Can't forget that he was "paranoid and violent" during the incident.
While it may have been unwise and imprudent for Zimmerman to have exited the vehicle (and I have also criticized him for this), it wasn't immoral and it certainly wasn't illegal (he had every bit as much of a right to be there as Trayvon did). And the man also had every right under the law to protect himself from someone who was clearly trying to put him into a coma (not to mention, possibly take his weapon).......And you gotta understand the law here, Jerry. I could follow you ALL DAY LONG and that still wouldn't give you the right to inflict a battery upon me. I say it again, the only person who committed a felony that night was Mr. Martin.
It would if I feared for my life... in Florida. It is called "Stand Your Ground"!
You cannot argue for fearing for your life based simply upon a person following you. The person has to make an aggressive movement.......And to wd, Adderall is a prescription medication that is given with doctor's supervision and while it does have side effects, a) they're generally in the 1-3% range and b) the doctor will take you off of it if it becomes a problem. Lean, on the other hand pretty much has as it's stated effect paranoia and aggression AND it isn't given with doctor's supervision.......As for who started the fight, it makes absolutely NO sense that a person wit a weapon would engage somebody in a fist fight and risk losing their advantage, especially if that person is obviously tougher and in better shape than you. You also have to look at the injuries and see that Trayvon only had injuries to his knuckles AND that Mr. Zimmerman passed multiple polygraph tests.......Mr. Martin wasn't trying to put Mr. Zimmerman in a coma? The fact that he was doing ground and pound (this, according to prosecution witness, Mr. Good) AND slamming Mr. Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk is pretty much proof-positive that you are full of shit, yet again.
I don't believe there is such a stipulation in Florida's stand your ground law. You simply have to feel your life is in danger.
It has to be reasonable, Jerry. You can't just jump on somebody because they look at you funny (or in Zimmerman's case, follow him for a block and then eye him from a distance from inside a parked vehicle).
How long does someone have to follow you in the dark in the dark before you would feel threatened?
Jerry, please, listen to the 911 tape. Most of it took place while Zimmerman was parked in the clubhouse parking lot. It was Trayvon who came up to him, circled the car, and reached into his waste-band. And even after that, Zimmerman started down Twin Trees and it was Trayvon AGAIN who came out from behind the clubhouse and started tailing Zimmerman. Yes, Zimmerman was a damn fool for getting out of the vehicle but it doesn't sound to me as if he was chasing Trayvon as much as he was trying to get a location.......Zimmerman also took 2 lie detector tests and apparently didn't show deception. Yes, I'm sorry that the youngster died but this was a tragedy and not a felony.
I have listened to the 911 tape. Zimmerman does say Martin checked him out. Zimmerman also says he thinks Martin is black. Zimmerman does say the Martin is running away after circling the vehicle. Zimmerman does say he is following Martin. The 911 dispatcher does tell Zimmerman that they don't need him to follow Martin. The 911 dispatcher tells Zimmerman to meet the police at the mailboxes. Zimmerman tells the dispatcher to have the police call him instead when the get there and he will tell the police where he is, implying that he is continuing to follow Martin.
Too bad Zimmerman did not do what he was told, and too bad we will never hear Martin's side of it. However, I can understand if Martin was frightened and tried to defend himself, something he never would have had to do if Zimmerman had stayed put. Martin ran away. At that time he was not a threat to Zimmerman. Zimmerman's further actions created or at least instigated the fatal situation.
He answered A QUESTION, "Is he white, black, or Hispanic?"......And, yes, Trayvon booked behind the clubhouse but instead of staying there or taking Retreat Circle home, he darted out from behind the clubhouse and started tailing Zimmerman. Yes, Zimmerman did get out of the car to see where Trayvon headed and that was stupid but Trayvon had sprinter's speed and could have easily gotten to the bottom of the T (and he probably DID, only to circle back and ambush the portly, slow moving Hispanic).......And there are a lot of "ifs" here, Jerry. If Trayvon hadn't have been walking slowly so close to the houses and instead been walking normally home....If Trayvon had gotten arrested 2 years prior for having that stolen jewelry he probably wouldn't have even been in Samford that night...
And if Zimmerman's goal was to follow and murder Trayvon that night, then why didn't he just get out of the car at the clubhouse and hunt him down then? The fact of the matter is that Zimmerman didn't even know where Trayvon was when he pulled out of the parking lot and it was Trayvon who took the provocative action of following him. It is increasingly obvious to me that Trayvon WANTED Zimmerman out of the vehicle so he could do to him what he did to all of those other people who he bragged about beating the shit out of on his text messages. This was one nasty little mother-fucker who made his own damn bed (circling the car, reaching into his waste-band).
And I believe that Zimmerman was already out of the car when the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that" and when Zimmerman said, "OK." Your evidence that Zimmerman continued to follow him is, what?
Edivence? He wasn't with his truck.
I don't think he was planning on murdering him. He was trying to be a big shot and follow him for the police. He was a police wannabe, an armed wannabe. Martin got scared. Tried to defend himself and got killed.
You don't know the truth of what happened any more than I do, and dead kids don't talk so we only have one side, one side not even given under oath.
You accusation was that he didn't listen to the dispatcher and got out his vehicle anyway. My point is that he was already out of the vehicle and didn't even know where Martin was at that point. Trayvon defend himself? From what, some guy who was at one point eying you from a distance? And Trayvon didn't know that Zimmerman was armed until he ambushed him, jumped on top of him, and tried to render him unconscious.
It's all conjecture. Unfortunately we will never hear Martin's side of it, and Zimmerman never testified.
If you were on that jury you would have voted guilty of voluntary manslaughter and put Zimmerman away for 30 years (actually, he probably would have been killed in prison within a year), on this conjecture?
I would have voted based on the testimony and the evidence presented.
So, not guilty, then.
Not necessarily. I said I don't know.
If the prosecutors had charged Zimmerman with INvoluntary manslaughter with a lesser charge of reckless endangerment, they actually might have gotten a conviction and Zimmerman would have gone to jail for 3-5 years. I'm not entirely sure that I would have agreed with it legally but in a cosmic sense it would have made some sense.
I think those would have been more appropriate charges. Perhaps the prosecutors did not want Zimmerman convicted. After all, it took them six weeks or so to initially charge him.
CNN's Mark Geragos thinks that they tanked it.
Let's contact the NSA. They must have the appropriate phone conversations on file somewhere.
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