tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post6009246652138976968..comments2023-08-24T07:27:12.657-07:00Comments on Contra O'Reilly: On the North and SlaveryWill "take no prisoners" Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-69748215492163464232014-08-01T21:49:13.192-07:002014-08-01T21:49:13.192-07:00Actually, Les, I think that the South probably wou...Actually, Les, I think that the South probably would have been the ones giving the aid.Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-75177062553539582712014-07-31T04:37:04.376-07:002014-07-31T04:37:04.376-07:00Lincoln should simply have let the southern states...Lincoln should simply have let the southern states spin off from the union.<br /><br />But then again they'd have become more states to give foreign "aid" to.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-27720268477446930532014-07-30T06:25:09.433-07:002014-07-30T06:25:09.433-07:00He was: even THAT wasn't enough for the leader...He was: even THAT wasn't enough for the leaders of the rebellion.BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-25218438348801090202014-07-29T21:54:30.228-07:002014-07-29T21:54:30.228-07:00And Mr. Lincoln was more than willing to allow thi...And Mr. Lincoln was more than willing to allow this peculiar institution to continue on indefinitely, just as long as the southern states didn't secede. I mean, you have read his '61 inaugural (where he supports the Corwin Amendment, promises to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act, and even supports an act which would have made any state's nullification of the Fugitive Slave Act illegal!!!!) right? Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-74943007816464016352014-07-29T21:48:22.918-07:002014-07-29T21:48:22.918-07:00And BB, you do realize, don't you, that of the...And BB, you do realize, don't you, that of the 50,000+ southern civilian casualties (a number that even the folks at Gettysburg acknowledge) of Mr. Lincoln's war a significant chunk of those were slaves (and this doesn't even include all of those that starved to death and died due to disease) and that the Union soldiers routinely raped and pillaged their way through the slave quarters in some of the most barbaric displays in all of human history?......And of course the South was racist. My only point here is that the whole country was racist and at least according to de Toqueville, the North was probably a little bit more so (I have some great quotes from abolitionists that I'll be sharing with you soon).Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-43196937821626485282014-07-29T20:58:29.068-07:002014-07-29T20:58:29.068-07:00This is from Wikipedia and while it certainly isn&...This is from Wikipedia and while it certainly isn't a perfect source it's probably better than the organization that gives us "Pawn Stars", "Ice Road Truckers", and "Mountain Men" - "Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, mainly but not exclusively Irish immigrants,[3] attacking blacks wherever they could be found. At least 119 blacks are estimated to have been killed."Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-84160753199198634142014-07-29T16:14:29.813-07:002014-07-29T16:14:29.813-07:00I used this source
I purposefully avoided politic...I used <a href="http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/draft-riots" rel="nofollow">this source</a><br /><br />I purposefully avoided political axe grinders.<br /><br />"In fact, about 300, over half of them policemen and soldiers, were injured, and there were no more than 119 fatalities, most of them rioters.....A majority of the rioters were Irish, living in pestilential misery"<br /><br />Looks rather cut and dried to me.<br /><br />The largest massacre of African/African-Americans in a riot that I found reference to looking this up was the Tulsa Riot.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-76648963174657084572014-07-29T10:26:28.451-07:002014-07-29T10:26:28.451-07:00Most of the 119 blacks were killed by the rioting ...Most of the 119 blacks were killed by the rioting Irish immigrants- even burned down a black orphanage. The army lacked<br />sufficient troops to maintain control. We accept the horror of the NYC event, but note in the<br />slave-holding south, records indicate 1,161 slave executions<br />concomitant with "brutality, degradation, branding, whipping and rape" Typical, IMO, is the report of an escaped slave, <br />slave- "men were required to pick 80 pounds-per-day of cotton, while women were required to pick 70 pounds; if any slave failed in his or her quota, they were given lashes of the whip for each pound they were short. The whipping post stood right next to the cotton scales" -it seems reasonable to conclude that free blacks had it rough; black slaves had it rougher.BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-9685074973610818782014-07-28T19:36:40.881-07:002014-07-28T19:36:40.881-07:00"...the fact that the New York City draft rio..."...the fact that the New York City draft riots probably killed more black folks than all of the slave insurrections combined..."<br /><br />Specifics like that often cause mt to wonder, and investigate...<br /><br />The NYC draft riots had 119 fatalities, most of whom were said to be the rioters themselves, mostly Irish.<br /><br />In Nat Turner's "slave insurrection" revolt <i>alone</i>, more than 250 African/etc slaves were executed. And this is just one of the slave insurrections.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.com