tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post4692987273083749486..comments2023-08-24T07:27:12.657-07:00Comments on Contra O'Reilly: The Jayne Mansfieldization of American Education.Will "take no prisoners" Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-7338922792704771892013-08-24T13:07:21.086-07:002013-08-24T13:07:21.086-07:00I just saw that interview last night actually. Goo...I just saw that interview last night actually. Good point.Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-70314784840045916272013-08-24T13:03:27.635-07:002013-08-24T13:03:27.635-07:00I caught Rick Atkinson on C-span
recently; he wrot...I caught Rick Atkinson on C-span<br />recently; he wrote 'The Liberation<br />Trllogy about WWII, and happened to mention the ratio of generals to troops. That <a href="http://fabiusmaximus.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/20120910-pogo-11.jpg" rel="nofollow">ratio </a> parallels the<br />school admin bloat phenomenon, which reflects, IMO on RN's comment that such may be endemic<br />in many, if not most sectors of<br />society.<br />BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-47985092481347276642013-08-24T12:06:30.874-07:002013-08-24T12:06:30.874-07:00BB: thanks. I was suspecting that private schools ...BB: thanks. I was suspecting that private schools and non-traditional public schools (charters) kept pace.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-90304382044725684962013-08-24T10:17:06.961-07:002013-08-24T10:17:06.961-07:00Sorry, I misinterpreted your ratio. While I think...Sorry, I misinterpreted your ratio. While I think more teachers per student is a good thing, I don't see the benefits of such a large increase in administrators.Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-5480734300244652042013-08-24T10:08:15.807-07:002013-08-24T10:08:15.807-07:00So much for the good old one room school. Regardin...So much for the good old one room school. Regarding private schools, as mentioned earlier, there is some evidence they do utilized a lower admin/teacher ratio (and apparently attract good teachers tired of the public school hassle, even at reduced pay and benefits.<br />Apparently, <a href="http://www.mlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/04/michigan_charter_schools_spend.html" rel="nofollow">charter schools</a> in some areas have even higher admin bloat.<br />I've never figured out what administrators do, other than have meetings and drink coffee.<br />BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-78919605577080688912013-08-24T09:36:30.936-07:002013-08-24T09:36:30.936-07:00Jerry, I was referring to the student to administr...Jerry, I was referring to the student to administrator growth ratio of of 7:1 (702% to 96%).......dmarks, I don't know. I highly suspect that it hasn't, though. Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-81748408093873586632013-08-24T09:25:10.809-07:002013-08-24T09:25:10.809-07:00Time for a math check. If admin et. al. increases...Time for a math check. If admin et. al. increases 701% while in the same time teachers increase 252%, that is a ratio of about 2.8 to 1, not 7 to 1, still probably larger than necessary, but let's not exergerate too much.Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-27619145125343265172013-08-24T03:54:36.793-07:002013-08-24T03:54:36.793-07:00Will, has it done the same in private schools?Will, has it done the same in private schools?dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-46751822224694617172013-08-23T20:24:12.200-07:002013-08-23T20:24:12.200-07:00I was actually a little surprised, Les. Yes, I tho...I was actually a little surprised, Les. Yes, I thought that it had gotten a little more bureaucratic over time but I had no idea that the ration was over 7:1. And, yes, absolutely the nation will suffer. Will "take no prisoners" Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-30282770573560074392013-08-23T20:16:53.132-07:002013-08-23T20:16:53.132-07:00Why do these data points not really suprise me? Ed...Why do these data points not really suprise me? Education is following the same trajectory as business. Our educational system will eventually figure out why the inverted pyramid eventually cracks under it's own weight.<br /><br />In the meantime, until it does the nation suffers.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.com