tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post4116953989587964348..comments2023-08-24T07:27:12.657-07:00Comments on Contra O'Reilly: Lyndon Baines Johnson 1963Will "take no prisoners" Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02315659209094683602noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-56182352742537229462015-02-12T23:17:07.521-08:002015-02-12T23:17:07.521-08:00It's very true. I saw LBJ say the nigger vote ...It's very true. I saw LBJ say the nigger vote quote on television in 1963, and saw it again on the internet just about two years ago. It also has been on the internet 'til recently. <br />Paula Deen could have used this as a social defense. <br /><br />LBJ was a nasty low life who has others killed for his political rise. Read: "A Texan Looks at Lyndon". Horrible bastard.crocker33https://www.blogger.com/profile/11293937499722249833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-41465120172282348732013-08-13T10:52:53.878-07:002013-08-13T10:52:53.878-07:00In retrospect, it is good to bring this issue up a...In retrospect, it is good to bring this issue up again, especially in light of this year's recent polling data:<br /><br /><a href="http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/11/18885926-nbc-newswsj-poll-affirmative-action-support-at-historic-low?lite" rel="nofollow">http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/11/18885926-nbc-newswsj-poll-affirmative-action-support-at-historic-low?lite</a><br /><br />"As the Supreme Court prepares to once again weigh in on the issue of affirmative action, a record-low number of Americans support such programs, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.<br /><br />Just 45 percent of respondents said they believe affirmative action programs are still needed to counteract the effects of discrimination against minorities, while an equal 45 percent feel the programs have gone too far and should be ended because they unfairly discriminate against whites."<br /><br />The chart in the article shows a decades-long erosion in support for this type of racism.<br /><br />That's real societal progress. Of course, it shows that there are still many racists, including Mr Myste who argues that blacks are inferior ("damaged" his word) goods.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-21816692031695793772012-11-12T17:40:50.065-08:002012-11-12T17:40:50.065-08:00And to make one last correction. John said: "...And to make one last correction. John said: "You use the term "racism" as s label for affirmative action in order to denigrate it. The label is irrelevant as anything other than an appeal to emotion, so I will not address it (see common fallacies for further understanding)."<br /><br />I went to the dictionary to check the definition of racism before I even said this. You have refused to, proving that you don't care what words mean at all.<br /><br />The "label" (more like accurate description) has nothing to do with emotion, and everything to do with properly identifying such destructive policies.<br /><br />"so I will not address it"<br /><br />In other words, you know well that this policy is explicitly racist and you are afraid to bother to check the meanings of words. If anything is "boring" it is your repeated use of unintellectual cop-outs like this when caught making very careless statements. dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-29311208007176456712012-11-12T05:15:31.928-08:002012-11-12T05:15:31.928-08:00Anyone wanting further education on this might wan...Anyone wanting further education on this might want to visit <a href="http://paranoiacstoogetalk.blogspot.com/search?q=sowell" rel="nofollow">this post</a> by Will which shows strong proof that racist "solutions" like AF are very ineffective in doing what they are supposedly trying to do. It is hard for one to claim to "understand" AF without knowing about this.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-74356695614403549302012-11-11T09:33:31.201-08:002012-11-11T09:33:31.201-08:00"You don't understand AF."
I comple..."You don't understand AF."<br /><br />I completely understand it. Just like I understand racial profiling and Jim Crow. However, I dislike all of these policies for the same reason.<br /><br />What is happening here is your insistence on something illogical.<br /><br />You repeatedly mention a certain set (blacks) which contains individuals who are all damaged/uneducated/etc. That is your premise. That this describes blacks. And then you go haywire when I point out the blacks who are not damaged. And the whites who are damaged, and how your assertion completely falls apart based on the facts.<br /><br />"I suspect most liberals will ultimately do the same. This is now Dmarks place, and like his own site, a complete bore."<br /><br />How like WD you are, making lame insults. But if it means you will stop making ignorant assertions, fine.<br /><br />"I like Will and enjoy his commentary"<br /><br />Then you should read his about AF. He always realizes that there are individuals involved. And he has shown strong evidence that blacks have advanced completely without its presence.<br /><br />"but Will is a minor player on his site and you refuse to debate honestly."<br /><br />You can't come up with one example where I did not debate honestly.<br /><br />But you are right. It is Will's place to tell you to sit down and shut up, not mine. And if you make such crazy faith-based assertions about race, I will not shut up either. Logic and intelligence are important.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-53004089055071290652012-11-10T09:00:37.851-08:002012-11-10T09:00:37.851-08:00The record is clear in the many comments in which ...<i>The record is clear in the many comments in which you claimed that the black race (which includes all black individuals) is damaged. </i><br /><br />You don't understand AF. I will sit down and shut up, though. I suspect most liberals will ultimately do the same. This is now Dmarks place, and like his own site, a complete bore. I like Will and enjoy his commentary, but Will is a minor player on his site and you refuse to debate honestly. John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-85451657759845622392012-11-10T03:33:41.597-08:002012-11-10T03:33:41.597-08:00As for this, "Dmarks inanity dominated site.&...As for this, "Dmarks inanity dominated site."<br /><br />what is inane is your repeated insistence that all blacks are damaged. I'm sorry I am not as stupid and ignorant as you like, and thus refuse to accept your <i>disproven</i> repeated claim. dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-31254202415245582862012-11-10T03:32:33.472-08:002012-11-10T03:32:33.472-08:00"I do not believe that all blacks are damaged..."I do not believe that all blacks are damaged or uneducated, so the count is zero"<br /><br />Which means you have entirely flip flopped from the "damaged race" racist claim of yours. Which is fine, since that is racist. <br /><br />"The fact that you keep lying about this is what has completely turned me off this Dmarks inanity dominated site."<br /><br />I have told the truth about this. The record is clear in the many comments in which you claimed that the black race (which includes all black individuals) is damaged. I have not lied one time about it. But again, if you have flipped on this issue, and rescind this racist smear about damaged blacks, that is great.<br /><br />I wonder if you have also rescinded this racist claim: "We robbed blacks of education, opportunity, and the ability to gain skills and knowledge. Replacing what we robbed is not racism."<br /><br />Giving extra reward to educated high achieving black individuals while punishing white individuals who have no education/opportunity/etc (which is the core of the intent and action of AA). is by definition racist. dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-54565210875615192172012-11-09T11:18:19.363-08:002012-11-09T11:18:19.363-08:00Do you want me to count how many times you have in...<i>Do you want me to count how many times you have insisted that all blacks are damaged and uneducated?</i> <br /><br />I do not believe that all blacks are damaged or uneducated, so the count is zero. The fact that you keep lying about this is what has completely turned me off this Dmarks inanity dominated site. John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-43106134263380560482012-11-09T08:43:01.523-08:002012-11-09T08:43:01.523-08:00" I said that the “race” was damaged, discred..." I said that the “race” was damaged, discredited and set back that needed to be fixed."<br /><br />The race is made up 100% of individuals. When such a statement is made, we must analyze how it applies individuals covered by it.<br /><br />"The race was uneducated and considered un-credible. Neither applies to Obama."<br /><br />Then it follows that Obama, as a qualified individual, was not helped by AA.<br /><br />"If you were confident in your position, you would not invent things to refute."<br /><br />You invent plenty of them already, my friend.<br /><br />"You don’t understand the problem AF intended to solve."<br /><br />I understand it completely. However, unlike you, I look at the following:<br /><br />1) How it ignores the problem it is supposed to solve.<br /><br />2) How it is based on false assumptions.<br /><br />"It was about a race, not specifically about rewarding or punishing individuals."<br /><br />Yet, as the damaged race is made up of individuals, it does end up affecting them. This cannot be denied.<br /><br /><br />"I agree, that is a racist idea. It happens to be one you came up with, though"<br /><br />You broke it here, and have repeated it. I opposed it each time.<br /><br />"...AF you are saying blacks are inferior or worthless. Only you say that and I acknowledge that it is irrational."<br /><br />AF says this, and I counter that it is racist. Blacks are not "damaged". They are diverse people of many levels of skill and income. <br /><br />Projection. I don’t make blanket assumptions"<br /><br />Do you want me to count how many times you have insisted that all blacks are damaged and uneducated?<br /><br />"I think Obama is superior to most whites, present company included."<br /><br />Then it follows that AF, which assumes all blacks are damaged and need special consideration to place unqualified people in positions, would not have applied to him at all. He's not damaged.<br /><br />"Your chain is too [insert mindless insult here], my friend.<br /><br />The Democrats' fight for voter fraud is well documented throughout the summer and fall.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-23718613273600918702012-11-05T07:58:14.379-08:002012-11-05T07:58:14.379-08:00Also stupid and unintellectual is how you rest thi...<i>Also stupid and unintellectual is how you rest things on blanket assumption such as the idea that blacks are all damaged, and then insist it doesn't matter that your claim is false.</i> <br /><br />I don’t think this, as I have stated repeatedly. You made that up. You are continually intentionally making up things, which you would not do if you were confident in your position. I said that the “race” was damaged, discredited and set back that needed to be fixed. <br /><br /><i>John's own words: "Without AF, Obama would not the president". And yes this is the same AF that John so many times assumes that all blacks are damaged.</i><br /><br />The race was uneducated and considered un-credible. Neither applies to Obama. AF did exist. If you were confident in your position, you would not invent things to refute. <br /><br /><i>An invalid, disproven thesis which crumbled to dust as soon as we came up with examples in this damaged group who are not damaged at all, in any way.</i> <br /><br />You don’t understand the problem AF intended to solve. It was about a race, not specifically about rewarding or punishing individuals.<br /><br /><i>No, I am calmly pointing out that the (by-definition) racist assumption that all blacks are inferior is worthless due to the preponderance of blacks in this group who are not damaged.</i> <br /><br />I agree, that is a racist idea. It happens to be one you came up with, though, and to which I do not subscribe. All the blacks who support AF also do not assume they if you support AF you are saying blacks are inferior or worthless. Only you say that and I acknowledge that it is irrational.<br /><br /><i>I understand it more than you do. You find it a weakness to dig deep and critically look at a careless blanket assumption such as yours.</i><br /><br />Projection. I don’t make blanket assumptions (categorical imperatives), nor do I believe them. That is your approach, not mine. I think Obama is superior to most whites, present company included. <br /><br /><i>As for your removed comment about me not voting, sorry. I am a liberal. I intend to vote twice, perhaps more."<br /><br />Well, yes, this will happen. Thanks to leftist groups lying in the courtroom and filing frivolous lawsuits to protect voter fraud.</i> <br /><br />Your chain is too lax, my friend. <br /><br />John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-59243239704659753392012-11-05T07:31:52.049-08:002012-11-05T07:31:52.049-08:00Also stupid and unintellectual is how you rest thi...Also stupid and unintellectual is how you rest things on blanket assumption such as the idea that blacks are all damaged, and then insist it doesn't matter that your claim is false.<br /><br />I never said that ["idea that blacks are all damaged"]. You did. <br /><br />You did many times. This is the first time: "It is about restoring a damaged race" (your own words)<br /><br />"Reward and punishment are intended to encourage or deter actions"<br /><br />Yeah, which is why I find the polices you advocate, which punish people for things they never did and never will do, and reward people for things they never had anything to do with, to be very strange and misguided. Not to mention entirely unjust.<br /><br />like insisting that Obama is "damaged"<br /><br />I never said that [insisting that Obama was damaged], you did.<br /><br />John's own words: "Without AF, Obama would not the president". And yes this is the same AF that John so many times assumes that all blacks are damaged.<br /><br />Also, as you said blacks were damaged, and Obama is black, you also called him damaged there too.<br /><br />"I repeatedly stated it was not about individuals, which was the gist of my main thesis."<br /><br />An invalid, disproven thesis which crumbled to dust as soon as we came up with examples in this damaged group who are not damaged at all, in any way.<br /><br />"You are intentionally lying because you are angry."<br /><br />No, I am calmly pointing out that the (by-definition) racist assumption that all blacks are inferior is worthless due to the preponderance of blacks in this group who are not damaged.<br /><br />"I know you now understand the argument"<br /><br />I understand it more than you do. You find it a weakness to dig deep and critically look at a careless blanket assumption such as yours.<br /><br />As for your removed comment about me not voting, sorry. I am a liberal. I intend to vote twice, perhaps more."<br /><br />Well, yes, this will happen. Thanks to leftist groups lying in the courtroom and filing frivolous lawsuits to protect voter fraud.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-7180189360885806312012-10-27T16:48:41.630-07:002012-10-27T16:48:41.630-07:00Also stupid and unintellectual is how you rest thi...<i>Also stupid and unintellectual is how you rest things on blanket assumption such as the idea that blacks are all damaged, and then insist it doesn't matter that your claim is false.</i> <br /><br />I never said that. You did. <br /><br />Reward and punishment are intended to encourage or deter actions, or to recognize actions (in the name of justice). I know you are too proud to ask, so I thought I would help. This has nothing to do with AF. <br /><br /><i>Your racism (which I mistakenly called "mild" and the lengths to which it makes you go, like insisting that Obama is "damaged"</i> <br /><br />I never said that, you did. <br /><br /><i>. But there is plenty from you, such as how all black individuals are damaged and inferior.</i> <br /><br />I repeatedly stated it was not about individuals, which was the gist of my main thesis. You are intentionally lying because you are angry. I know you now understand the argument, but you seem embarrassed to acknowledge it, which I also understand, sir. <br /><br />As for your removed comment about me not voting, sorry. I am a liberal. I intend to vote twice, perhaps more.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-30465783583263392612012-10-27T03:10:34.713-07:002012-10-27T03:10:34.713-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-86706873220845329442012-10-27T03:07:31.319-07:002012-10-27T03:07:31.319-07:00John said:
"Dmarks, you also don't unde...John said: <br /><br />"Dmarks, you also don't understand reward and punishment."<br /><br />Do you want go to into these words? I can assure you that you have no idea what you are talking about, just like with the definition of the words racism.<br /><br />"I do not have time or interest in educating you on this."<br /><br />That's real rich, as you are making so many claims that simply aren't true at all. You are only educating me on how uninformed, idiotic, and ill-intentioned racists are, and how they don't understand their own policies, and how they <b>hate it when you look at how they affect people</b>. Also stupid and unintellectual is how you rest things on blanket assumption such as the idea that blacks are all damaged, and then insist it doesn't matter that your claim is false.<br /><br />If you are doing like you did before, you will be making up your own definitions of the words on the fly.<br /><br />"You speak your own language"<br /><br />Wow. You really are such a liar. I refer to what words actually mean, and you do not.<br /><br />"and you base imperative belief on Dmarks Language."<br /><br />Wow. What an idiot you have turned out to be. I refer to what words actually mean, and link to it. I notice now you are refusing to address any of the actual points made, and are just lobbing insult after false claim after insult.<br /><br /> "I can honestly say that you now hold the distinction of the most irrational person I have met at Contra O'Reilly, by far."<br /><br />Which, given the complete lack of any evidence, is just a lame insult.<br /><br />"Listening to a loud mouth who responds with total jibberish to each point ruins the site.';<br /><br />Yet, you can't give one example of total gibberish.<br /><br />"You are making me disgusted with the entire site"<br /><br />Your racism (which I mistakenly called "mild" and the lengths to which it makes you go, like insisting that Obama is "damaged" and could not have made it on a level playing field is far more disgusting than my imperative that "racism is bad" that offends you so.<br /><br />"because people who had the patience to deal with you have been banned"<br /><br />Will banned WD for lying repeatedly to WD, not for what he did in regard to me.<br /><br />"leaving your nuttiness to dominate and become the site."<br /><br />Yeah, people like Klansman and you think I am nutty.<br /><br />You don't have to agree, but damn! Labeling those racist who understand the policy"<br /><br />"I understand completely this explicitly racist policy. You do not. People who embrace it and support it are racist by definition. You should know this by now. It's a fact whether or not I believe in it.<br /><br />"and then spouting off continued nonsense is just painful."<br /><br />You can't name one bit of nonsense from me. But there is plenty from you, such as how all black individuals are damaged and inferior.<br /><br />It's fine if you stop lying and insulting and making fact-free comments, and go back to being the bigot you are.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-18186248782527043822012-10-24T14:53:14.157-07:002012-10-24T14:53:14.157-07:00Dmarks,
Listening to a loud mouth who responds w...Dmarks, <br /><br />Listening to a loud mouth who responds with total jibberish to each point ruins the site. You are making me disgusted with the entire site because people who had the patience to deal with you have been banned, leaving your nuttiness to dominate and become the site. <br /><br />You don't have to agree, but damn! Labeling those racist who understand the policy and then spouting off continued nonsense is just painful. John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-9498096191354016892012-10-24T14:51:34.453-07:002012-10-24T14:51:34.453-07:00Dmarks, you also don't understand reward and p...Dmarks, you also don't understand reward and punishment. I do not have time or interest in educating you on this. You speak your own language and you base imperative belief on Dmarks Language. <br /><br />I can honestly say that you now hold the distinction of the most irrational person I have met at Contra O'Reilly, by far. <br /><br />As I have stated already, there is no point in continuing. Your faith is indisputable and included among it are that those who supported policies that equalized race are therefore racist. By your definition, most blacks are racist and those who tried to leave the damage the white man did in place are not racist. I cannot reason with someone like you. <br /><br />You also don't understand reward and punishment, both concepts to deter action or penalize someone, none of which are applicable to AF. <br /><br />Please stop talking. It is painful to try to communicate with you. <br />John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-62602322881447355592012-10-24T10:37:44.278-07:002012-10-24T10:37:44.278-07:00And now to use some more critical thinking at one ...And now to use some more critical thinking at one of John Myste's specific points that was so completely and provably untrue:<br /><br /><b>"AF is about race equality."</b>"<br /><br />Let's check out one specific and very typical AA policy. The infamous one at the University of Michigan law school, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._Bollinger" rel="nofollow"><i>Gratz v. Bollinger</i></a><br /><br />From the text:<br /><br />"The University of Michigan used a 150-point scale to rank applicants, with 100 points needed to guarantee admission. The University gave underrepresented ethnic groups, including African-Americans, Hispanics, and Native Americans, an automatic 20-point bonus on this scale, while a perfect SAT score was worth 12 points."<br /><br />There. The 20 point difference, granted to some races and denied others (not only to whites). A requirement which denies and prohibits race equality, thus directly contradicting your claim "AF is about race equality."<br /><br />IF you want, I can go through example after example of specific affirmative action policies which explicitly mandate race inequality through such methods as this one to reward some individuals for their skin color and punish others. In fact, we will find that most of these policies demand race inequality.<br /><br />Remember, as it appears you have entirely lost sight of the concept, that equality (in a social setting) refers to "The state of being equal, esp. in status, rights, and opportunities".dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-69321814853476024712012-10-24T10:30:32.713-07:002012-10-24T10:30:32.713-07:00From Google, by the way. Remember, these are not m...From Google, by the way. Remember, these are not my definitions. But just the generally accepted ones:<br /><br /><b>"rac·ism/ˈrāˌsizəm/<br />Noun: <br /><br /> [1] The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...<br /> [2] Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.</b><br /><br />The first, [1] is strongly present in your insistence that blacks are damaged, etc.<br /><br />The second is very explicitly present in your demand for discrimination against individuals based on this policy.<br /><br />There. Hopefully you won't have anything to fall back on anymore in your insistence that the racism problem isn't something that is at the root of your policy you favor but instead something I made up.<br /><br />Insane? Well, crazy. Crazy like an informed fox.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-26783181403163324702012-10-24T10:08:05.974-07:002012-10-24T10:08:05.974-07:00Accusing people who have philosophies you don'...Accusing people who have philosophies you don't like of being racist promotes racism quite a bit. Your hostility in this matter is troublesome. What race am I against? My own? I am white. Blacks? Then by your definition most blacks are racist against blacks, as they mostly supported AF. <br /><br />I think you are insane.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-75098655818360854242012-10-24T09:58:16.777-07:002012-10-24T09:58:16.777-07:00John said: "Your idea [that all black people ...John said: "Your idea [that all black people are damaged and deserve a special advantage]<br />, one I had never heard of until you introduced it as a concept.'<br /><br />Actually, you have used it a lot, starting with "It is about restoring a <b>damaged race</b>" in which you first said that Blacks were damaged. A blanket smear by you which included President Obama.<br /><br />"Labeling something racism"<br /><br />It is not a matter of labeling. It is about knowing the concept thoroughly.<br /><br />"and then rejecting it based on your supposed moral imperative"<br /><br />Yes, my moral imperative, the one you hate so much, is that it is bad to inflict racism on anyone.<br /><br />"You don’t know what AF is"<br /><br />I know exactly what it is. Your cooking up this whopper again and again doesn't make it any more true. I know exactly what it is much more than you. I have dared to look at how it affects individuals. To you that is a no-no.<br /><br />" and your philosophy is based on an idea that does not exist in the real world."<br /><br />AA exists in the real world, sorry.<br /><br />"Additionally, your reasoning is wholly fallacious."<br /><br />Since you cannot come up with even one example of this, you are just making a hollow insult.<br /><br />"How can I continue with you?"<br /><br />Perhaps if you did a little research you would do better.<br /><br />"I am a life-long student of the soft science of critical thinking,"<br /><br />Then how can you come across as soft-in-the-head when you get actually kind of shrill at the very idea of discussing how this policy impacts individuals?<br /><br />"You are using the term with no understanding behind it."<br /><br />Yawn. Another lie.<br /><br />"Your whole approach is fallacious."<br /><br />Yet, you cannot come up with even one example of this.<br /><br />"You cannot assume a position and then use your assumption as proof of your philosophy about the issue"<br /><br />Sorry, AA is explicitly racist whether or not my assumption (that racism is bad) is involved. You have it backwards.<br /><br />dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-5648817685059519482012-10-24T08:27:29.849-07:002012-10-24T08:27:29.849-07:00Yeah, starting with your idea that all black peopl...<i>Yeah, starting with your idea that all black people are damaged and deserve a special advantage.</i> <br /><br />Your idea, one I had never heard of until you introduced it as a concept. <br /><br />Labeling something racism and then rejecting it based on your supposed moral imperative about racism is fallacious. You don’t know what AF is and your philosophy is based on an idea that does not exist in the real world. <br /><br />Additionally, your reasoning is wholly fallacious. How can I continue with you? <br /><br /><i>Anyway, learn some critical thinking</i> <br /><br />I am a life-long student of the soft science of critical thinking, as is well known. You are using the term with no understanding behind it. It is a whole discipline, which you have demonstrated you have not studied. Your whole approach is fallacious. You cannot assume a position and then use your assumption as proof of your philosophy about the issue, which is what you are doing with your moral imperative. <br /><br />I can recommend some excellent books on the topic. I have read plenty. I am staring at two in the mini bookshelf at my desk right now. You have but to ask. <br />John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-64940475449844470462012-10-24T07:24:00.821-07:002012-10-24T07:24:00.821-07:00John said: "DMarks, you are waste of time.&qu...John said: "DMarks, you are waste of time."<br /><br />Yes, you won't get anywhere with me, because I refuse to accept your assertion that some racism is OK.<br /><br />"You continue to make the same debunked arguments"<br /><br />You have not debunked any of my arguments. Perhaps this is why they get phrased different ways.<br /><br />"This discussion has not only made me weary of this discussion with you"<br /><br />Good. Then come back when you have learned to let go of the racism and the resulting ludicrous ideas such as that Obama is damaged.<br /><br />"I have to believe you are not trying to be analytical"<br /><br />Only if you are an uninformed boob with poor reading skills. I have been very analytical.<br /><br />"This is boring repetition."<br /><br />Yeah, starting with your idea that all black people are damaged and deserve a special advantage.<br /><br />You blew it on this one, like you did with the argument at Heathen about Obama's choices to make trillions of dollars in purchases which caused the debt to go so much higher.<br /><br />Anyway, learn some critical thinking. And when discussing political issues, some day realize that it's not taboo to discuss how policies affect individuals.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-90091940187252964662012-10-24T07:13:08.248-07:002012-10-24T07:13:08.248-07:00DMarks, you are waste of time. You continue to mak...DMarks, you are waste of time. You continue to make the same debunked arguments, phrased different ways. This discussion has not only made me weary of this discussion with you, but it has made me bored with any discussion with you. I have to believe you are not trying to be analytical, but just want to appear not to have lost, which was not how saw you previously (but I did not pay that much attention). This is boring repetition.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1327826536005692170.post-60110563106124004902012-10-23T19:32:13.206-07:002012-10-23T19:32:13.206-07:00By the way, Will "gets it" for sure. On ...By the way, Will "gets it" for sure. On this issue, he is always interested in the merit and accomplishments of <i>individuals</i>, and I can't imagine him passionately arguing that wealthy educated black people are "damaged" and need any special boost or consideration of any kind.<br /><br />He gets it because he knows it is about individuals.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.com